@sh76 saidOk, your admiration of Mr. Kirk seems genuine, and I have learned that he did have a unique talent for debate. Many liberals I have seen accepted and even enjoyed the challenge of discussing political issues with him. He seems like he was a nice guy. As the New York Times wrote this morning, Charlie was "practicing politics the right way."
I'll assume you're not just trolling.
Charlie Kirk was more than a mere influencer. He was a brilliant debater who, practically every day, would engage in respectful dialogue with those who disagreed with him.
He was a hero to millions of young people who aspire to be able to think and talk like Charlie to all comers. As it happens, one of those young people is my 16 year ...[text shortened]... swung, the anger and frustration or losing the "hearts and minds" battle seems to be spilling over.
But this?
I can see why the leftists wanted him taken out; and I don't mean the person who did it, I mean the tens of thousands (or maybe millions, I don't know) of leftists celebrating his death on X and Bluesky. I'm sure it was very difficult for leftists to watch him make minced meat of most of the people he debated - and do so calmly and respectfully
This sentiment of yours is wrong, unjustifiable and harmful. The liberals he was debating were there voluntarily, do not look in pain, and often ended in healthy disagreements and hand shakes. I'm on bluesky. There are some distasteful jokes of course, but what are you talking about? Anything resembling a "celebration of death" is a few no name weirdos looking for attention. America as a whole is overwhelmingly against this. Like 99+%. If my kid was in Boy Scouts and someone (maybe, I don't know) in his troop went out and committed a crime against the Girl Scouts, then you would come on here and say that (maybe, I don't know) millions of Boy Scouts celebrated the crime? Insane argument.
And then this?
In 2021 and 2022, I imagine the anger was less. In those days, the leftists ran social media. If you were conservative, Facebook and Twitter would shadowban or demonetize you. There was no reason for the leftists to be upset. They were winning. Now that the pendulum has swung, the anger and frustration or losing the "hearts and minds" battle seems to be spilling over.
YES, YOU ARE IMAGINING IT. When Musk took over Twitter and released the infamous "twitter files", numerous studies concluded there was no anti-conservative bias at Twitter. None. There of course were anecdotal incidents of shadowbanning but it was not systemically aimed at conservative viewpoints. Even Musk's handpicked journalists who reviewed the evidence came up with more anecdotes, but it was happening to both extremes of the political spectrum. Even before musk came along there were systematic studies concluding a downright dominance of social media by conservative viewpoints. To claim otherwise is false.
Liberals left Twitter because Musk made it unusable and it was run over by trolls.
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@Crowley saidSounds like maybe he was being prepped to run for POTUS.
@KellyJay being happy that his bigoted and racist vitriol will now be less prevalent, is not a celebration.
Thoughts and prayers.
Kirk actually said this:
A few months ago, he said: "It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment"
@sh76 saidI have another question: Since he was best known as a debater, is there a Charlie Kirk quote that you most enjoy? Like a quote that you would put in his eulogy? What is he best known for saying? It's hard to find these things on the internet, all I can seem to find is his hateful rhetoric.
I'll assume you're not just trolling.
Charlie Kirk was more than a mere influencer. He was a brilliant debater who, practically every day, would engage in respectful dialogue with those who disagreed with him.
He was a hero to millions of young people who aspire to be able to think and talk like Charlie to all comers. As it happens, one of those young people is my 16 year ...[text shortened]... swung, the anger and frustration or losing the "hearts and minds" battle seems to be spilling over.
Do you find it a little depressing that teenage boys were listening to him every day when he says stuff like:
"Of course you should be able to use whips against foreigners that are coming into your country. Why is that controversial"
"The number one funding mechanism of radical, open border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and non profits is Jewish donors."
"God's perfect law says that gay people should be stoned to death."
"Black women don't have the brain processing power to be taken seriously."
Was his schtick satire or sarcasm? I'm really trying to understand your point about him being a "hero" that teenage boys should admire.
@sonhouse saidWhat's wrong with that? I find it refreshingly honest to acknowledge that a robust guns rights' stance has a human cost rather than the constant false claims by right wingers that our excessive private ownership of such weapons somehow saves lives.
Sounds like maybe he was being prepped to run for POTUS.
Kirk actually said this:
A few months ago, he said: "It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment"
@Rajk999 saidnobody deserves death
I can bet you cannot give one good reason why Charlie Kirk deserved death. But you have no problem supporting Islam which openly calls for death to Christians and other unbelievers, a call actually praciticed by some Muslim idiots.
Charlie Kirk believed the following ..
- in God
- that homosexuality is a sin according to God
- that Islam was an evil cult, which it is a ...[text shortened]... sting doctrine, and quick to use profanities, obscenities and other insults when speaking to people.
the world is better without Charlie Kirk in it.
"But you have no problem supporting Islam which openly calls for death to Christians and other unbelievers, a call actually praciticed"
No, you gigantic turd blossom, islam doesn't call for the death of "unbelievers" anymore than Christianity does. You just put 2 billion human beings in the same pot as a few extremists. I do not. Just like i don't say all americans are as vile as Charlie Kirk or all americans or all men.
Charlie Kirk was a vile scumbag who got rich peddling hate and 1% propaganda . The world is better without him but he didn't deserve to die
"The man is free to believe as he wish, but according you leftist maniacs, you are quick to call for the death to people who oppose your sick disgusting doctrine"
I did not call for his death you lying sack of manure
"and quick to use profanities, obscenities and other insults when speaking to people."
go fuk yourself, a scumbag like you doesn't deserve civility any more than a nazi would.
There is no civil discourse to be had, no tolerance to be extended to those who are fundamentally intolerant
@sh76 said"Charlie Kirk was more than a mere influencer. He was a brilliant debater who, practically every day, would engage in respectful dialogue with those who disagreed with him. "
I'll assume you're not just trolling.
Charlie Kirk was more than a mere influencer. He was a brilliant debater who, practically every day, would engage in respectful dialogue with those who disagreed with him.
He was a hero to millions of young people who aspire to be able to think and talk like Charlie to all comers. As it happens, one of those young people is my 16 year ...[text shortened]... swung, the anger and frustration or losing the "hearts and minds" battle seems to be spilling over.
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He was a bully who "destroyed" unprepared college kids but crumbled whenever he faced someone even remotely smart and knowledgeable.
Brilliant debater, ha. Are YOU trolling?
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@no1marauder saidan honest vile opinion is still vile. plenty wrong with it
What's wrong with that? I find it refreshingly honest to acknowledge that a robust guns rights' stance has a human cost rather than the constant false claims by right wingers that our excessive private ownership of such weapons somehow saves lives.
The choice isn't between having a horrific idea and being honest about it or having a horrific idea and hiding it.
@no1marauder saidHis gist is it is ok for people to die from gunshot, well unless it was he himself.
What's wrong with that? I find it refreshingly honest to acknowledge that a robust guns rights' stance has a human cost rather than the constant false claims by right wingers that our excessive private ownership of such weapons somehow saves lives.
Sounds more like a scree from Rush Limbaugh.
@no1marauder saidIm just learning that right before he was shot, he was explaining to his audience that inner city gang violence statistics should be averaged into the numbers of mass shootings because then the prominent role of white males in school children deaths will appear less consequential.
What's wrong with that? I find it refreshingly honest to acknowledge that a robust guns rights' stance has a human cost rather than the constant false claims by right wingers that our excessive private ownership of such weapons somehow saves lives.
@wildgrass saidWhere did you find these quotes? I fed them all into ChatGPT and it says none of them are exact quotes. It says all are mischaracterizations or fabricated.
I have another question: Since he was best known as a debater, is there a Charlie Kirk quote that you most enjoy? Like a quote that you would put in his eulogy? What is he best known for saying? It's hard to find these things on the internet, all I can seem to find is his hateful rhetoric.
Do you find it a little depressing that teenage boys were listening to him every d ...[text shortened]... I'm really trying to understand your point about him being a "hero" that teenage boys should admire.
@wildgrass saidRather than copying and pasting BS from Bluesky or something, can you show us the exact quote in context?
Im just learning that right before he was shot, he was explaining to his audience that inner city gang violence statistics should be averaged into the numbers of mass shootings because then the prominent role of white males in school children deaths will appear less consequential.
@Zahlanzi saidI've learned to never engage you because you're an unserious loudmouth who is not interested in real discussion but merely in insulting people you disagree with.
"Charlie Kirk was more than a mere influencer. He was a brilliant debater who, practically every day, would engage in respectful dialogue with those who disagreed with him. "
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He was a bully who "destroyed" unprepared college kids but crumbled whenever he faced someone even remotely smart and knowledgeable.
Brilliant debater, ha. Are YOU trolling?
But this is worth breaking my rule just once.
So...
FU, you POS.
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@wildgrass said===There of course were anecdotal incidents of shadowbanning but it was not systemically aimed at conservative viewpoints.===
Ok, your admiration of Mr. Kirk seems genuine, and I have learned that he did have a unique talent for debate. Many liberals I have seen accepted and even enjoyed the challenge of discussing political issues with him. He seems like he was a nice guy. As the New York Times wrote this morning, Charlie was "practicing politics the right way."
But this?
[quote]I can see why ...[text shortened]... wise is false.
Liberals left Twitter because Musk made it unusable and it was run over by trolls.
Every single high profile Twitter account that promoted the Great Barrington Declaration, including that of Jay Bhattacharya himself, was either banned, shadowbanned or otherwise repressed or hidden at one point or another.
https://stanforddaily.com/2023/01/18/stanford-professor-put-on-twitters-trends-blacklist/
@wildgrass said===The liberals he was debating were there voluntarily, do not look in pain, and often ended in healthy disagreements and hand shakes.===
Ok, your admiration of Mr. Kirk seems genuine, and I have learned that he did have a unique talent for debate. Many liberals I have seen accepted and even enjoyed the challenge of discussing political issues with him. He seems like he was a nice guy. As the New York Times wrote this morning, Charlie was "practicing politics the right way."
But this?
[quote]I can see why ...[text shortened]... wise is false.
Liberals left Twitter because Musk made it unusable and it was run over by trolls.
Exactly! The people who actually engaged him generally enjoyed the interactions and seem to have respected him. It's the keyboard warriors who hated him.