@wildgrass saidLook, WG, I know you're not going to go back and watch 100 hours of his content just because I ask you to, but I have watched 100 hours of his content or more, and none of those things sound like him.
I have another question: Since he was best known as a debater, is there a Charlie Kirk quote that you most enjoy? Like a quote that you would put in his eulogy? What is he best known for saying? It's hard to find these things on the internet, all I can seem to find is his hateful rhetoric.
Do you find it a little depressing that teenage boys were listening to him every d ...[text shortened]... I'm really trying to understand your point about him being a "hero" that teenage boys should admire.
"Black women don't have the brain processing power" really sounds like something so antithetical to his respectful attitude to all. None of those quote sounds like him to me.
@sonhouse saidThe gist of it is that the People's rights that constrain government action can come with a cost. If the rights recognized in the 4th, 5th and 6 Amendments didn't exist, police would have a much easier time capturing and punishing criminals. But then everyone's liberty would be in danger from governmental overreach. We "pay" for those rights with increased crime and even deaths committed by criminals.
His gist is it is ok for people to die from gunshot, well unless it was he himself.
Sounds more like a scree from Rush Limbaugh.
That's a grown up realization and if Kirk made that point, it was a valid one.
@sh76 saidI don't have Instagram but found this:
Look, WG, I know you're not going to go back and watch 100 hours of his content just because I ask you to, but I have watched 100 hours of his content or more, and none of those things sound like him.
"Black women don't have the brain processing power" really sounds like something so antithetical to his respectful attitude to all. None of those quote sounds like him to me.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOcVk5yjJGo/
Given the way he is being eulogized, I expect there is an "I have a dream" speech somewhere right?
No need for 100 hours but a brilliant hero known for speech so where are the famous speeches?
@sh76 saidright back at you, pumpkin.
I've learned to never engage you because you're an unserious loudmouth who is not interested in real discussion but merely in insulting people you disagree with.
But this is worth breaking my rule just once.
So...
FU, you POS.
you crawl out of exile and the first thing you do not to lament that another school shooting happened. Where children died.
Nope, you went straight to singing praises for the guy who made a living (and bank) telling americans dead children are a necessary price to pay so you idiots can have how many guns you want, when you want them.
Welcome back, pumpkin. I look forward to pointing out the next time you vomit another bright idea.
@Zahlanzi saidSurah (9:5) - And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
islam doesn't call for the death of "unbelievers"
Idolaters are people who do not believe in Allah.
@Zahlanzi saidYou are not capable of civil discussion, like most leftists and supporters of Islamic terrorism.
go fuk yourself, a scumbag like you doesn't deserve civility any more than a nazi would.
There is no civil discourse to be had, no tolerance to be extended to those who are fundamentally intolerant
@sh76 saidI heard they "shadowbanned" a user who told six year olds they should run across the street when the light turns green!
===There of course were anecdotal incidents of shadowbanning but it was not systemically aimed at conservative viewpoints.===
Every single high profile Twitter account that promoted the Great Barrington Declaration, including that of Jay Bhattacharya himself, was either banned, shadowbanned or otherwise repressed or hidden at one point or another.
https://stanforddaily.com/2023/01/18/stanford-professor-put-on-twitters-trends-blacklist/
This censorship must end!
@wildgrass saidHe wasn't a speechmaker. That's the point. He was an engager. His thing was dialogue, not speeches.
I don't have Instagram but found this:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOcVk5yjJGo/
Given the way he is being eulogized, I expect there is an "I have a dream" speech somewhere right?
No need for 100 hours but a brilliant hero known for speech so where are the famous speeches?
In the clip, he's attaching Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson, not "black women." If I attack George Soros, that doesn't make me an anti-Semite. If I attack Joe Biden, it doesn't make me a hater of old senile white men.
@wildgrass saidThere's no way I can point to one single clip that's going to be "brilliant" in isolation. That's not the point. That wasn't his point. His point was to have discussions with all comers, whatever their opinions are. And he was brilliant at it.
That's why I was asking you for a direct quote. Where are the ones that highlight what you describe as brilliant debating?
You really don't need me to help you find Charlie Kirk debating people clips. They're all over the place. It's hard for me to even envision someone not having a clip come up on their social media feed now and then.
I'm not saying he was Einstein or Milton Friedman. He was a brilliant engager and was always respectful of the people he was talking to. He handled discussions with a suaveness that few could match.
And he was killed, almost certainly, because people on social media got so riled up by him, that they pushed someone over the edge.
It's really sad.
@no1marauder saidBut that sounds like him saying collateral damage is ok because by God, we got the amendments.
The gist of it is that the People's rights that constrain government action can come with a cost. If the rights recognized in the 4th, 5th and 6 Amendments didn't exist, police would have a much easier time capturing and punishing criminals. But then everyone's liberty would be in danger from governmental overreach. We "pay" for those rights with increased crime and even ...[text shortened]... tted by criminals.
That's a grown up realization and if Kirk made that point, it was a valid one.
@sh76 saidYes, that's what I was saying, an anecdote news story but this is different from evidence of banning anti-conservative viewpoints in general which is what you were saying. That's what Elon also suggested but then he bought Twitter and went through the records and didn't find that evidence....because it wasn't happening at that level .
===There of course were anecdotal incidents of shadowbanning but it was not systemically aimed at conservative viewpoints.===
Every single high profile Twitter account that promoted the Great Barrington Declaration, including that of Jay Bhattacharya himself, was either banned, shadowbanned or otherwise repressed or hidden at one point or another.
https://stanforddaily.com/2023/01/18/stanford-professor-put-on-twitters-trends-blacklist/
They were shadow banning though not really a free speech issue. It was just based on what stories they preferred to highlight on their platform. It turned out that they actually amplified a lot of conservative storylines.
@Rajk999 said"Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, so that we may preserve offspring through our father." - (Lot's daughters)
Surah (9:5) - And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
Idolaters are people who do not believe in Allah.
Gen 19:32
2 Kings 2:23–25
23 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, che cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.
@wildgrass saidI never said it was a free speech issue. The First Amendment (generally speaking) doesn't dictate the conduct of private social media outlets. I get it. That wasn't the point I want making. My point was that social media sites WERE censoring conservative viewpoints, not that they weren't allowed to.
Yes, that's what I was saying, an anecdote news story but this is different from evidence of banning anti-conservative viewpoints in general which is what you were saying. That's what Elon also suggested but then he bought Twitter and went through the records and didn't find that evidence....because it wasn't happening at that level .
They were shadow banning though not ...[text shortened]... ight on their platform. It turned out that they actually amplified a lot of conservative storylines.
@Zahlanzi saidThe story of Lot and his daughters has nothing to do with killing unbelievers. Also Abraham killing some youths is in no way an instruction to kill unbelievers.
"Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, so that we may preserve offspring through our father." - (Lot's daughters)
Gen 19:32
2 Kings 2:23–25
23 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned ar ...[text shortened]... hem in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.
Jews have not been killing unbelievers, youths etc throughout the ages.
The Muslims have been doing it, and following the Quran's isntruction to rape women, kill the men, convert the nations to Islam.