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  1. Zugzwang
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/christian-nationalist-religious-right-legislation-bills

    "US set for flurry of ‘Christian nationalist’ bills advanced by religious right
    Legislation that would erode LGBTQ and reproductive rights expected to be
    introduced in states across America, experts warn"

    "With the supreme court now dominated by Trump-appointed conservative justices,
    elected officials in states across the country are set to introduce bills which would hack
    away at LGTBQ rights, reproductive rights, challenge the ability of couples to adopt
    children, and see religion forced into classrooms, according to a report by the
    American Atheists organization.

    In recent years Republicans have sought to infuse religion into state politics across
    the country, many of the bills lifted from model legislation drafted by well-funded
    Christian lobbying organizations under an effort known as “Project Blitz”."

    "Over the past five years a wave of discriminatory laws have been introduced in
    state legislatures, frequently in the name of Christianity. LGBTQ people, in
    particular, have been targeted, including efforts to prevent trans people using
    certain bathrooms, and to prevent LGBTQ couples from adopting children.

    The danger isn’t just to people in individual states. With the supreme court now
    dominated 6-3 by conservatives, challenges to federal law could work their way to
    the highest court in the US, where decisions could enshrine discriminatory laws."

    "In most of these states, parts of the legislation had almost identical wording.
    That’s a result of Project Blitz, an effort by rightwing Christian organizations to
    push through bills furthering their aims.

    Project Blitz provides draft legislation to lawmakers across the country.
    Frequently, that legislation is copied, pasted and presented in state capitols.
    In 2018, state lawmakers introduced 74 bills similar to Project Blitz draft legislation,
    according to America Atheists. The bills ranged “from measures designed to restrict
    same-sex marriage to allowing adoption agencies to deny placements because of religion”,
    American Atheists said.

    The aim is also to stuff up state houses with legislation, drawing mostly
    Democratic legislators’ time and attention away from other issues.
    “It’s kind of like whack-a-mole for the other side,” David Barton, founder of the
    Christian-right organization WallBuilders and one of four members of Project
    Blitz’s steering team, told state legislators in a call which was made public.
    “It’ll drive ‘em crazy that they’ll have to divide their resources out in opposing this.”

    "Katherine Stewart, a journalist and author of The Power Worshippers: Inside the
    Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism, said leaders behind Christian nationalists
    efforts “are playing a long and ambitious game”.

    The people behind Christianity-based legislative efforts grouped their various
    efforts into three categories, according to how difficult they would be to pass,
    Stewart said, and each is part of a larger picture.

    “The first category consisted of largely symbolic gestures, like resolutions to
    emblazon the motto ‘In God We Trust’ in public school classrooms,” Stewart said.
    “But the point of phase one was to prepare the ground for phases two and three,
    which aimed to entangle government with their version of religion in deeper ways.""
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    15 Jan '21 20:41
    @Duchess64
    I read a sci fi story about a dude who went back in time to around 1400 and introduced himself to the indigenous folk there and told them about the coming Euro invasion.
    So he set about making 1000 ships capable of going to Spain and they build the armada and showed up in Spain and the US was never born🙂
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    15 Jan '21 20:46
    @duchess64 said
    "US set for flurry of ‘Christian
    Well... putting "christian" in scare quotes is appropriate whenever that mammon-worshiping country is involved. Still not quite as evil as the Molochian Russia and China, but not far behind. None of the three have the slightest thing to do with Christ, or want to.
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    @sonhouse said
    @Duchess64
    I read a sci fi story about a dude who went back in time to around 1400 and introduced himself to the indigenous folk there and told them about the coming Euro invasion.
    So he set about making 1000 ships capable of going to Spain and they build the armada and showed up in Spain and the US was never born🙂
    Fat chance. They'd have to find the iron to forge the nails, to begin with. And then there's knowing about the trade winds.
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    15 Jan '21 20:50
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    The first big boats didn't use nails. That is not a huge impediment to making a big boat. But it was just a story, they weren't planning to make a time machine first🙂
  6. Zugzwang
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    15 Jan '21 21:492 edits
    @shallow-blue said
    Fat chance. They'd have to find the iron to forge the nails, to begin with. And then there's knowing about the trade winds.
    ShallowBlue shows his abysmal ignorance of constructing ships.
    Nails are unnecessary in building ships capable of long voyages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewn_boat

    "A sewn boat is a type of wooden boat which is clinker built and planks sewn,
    stitched, tied, or bound together ..."

    Some sewn boats made long voyages. Dhows sailed from Arabia to China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Severin

    "After three years of researching the legend and early Arab and Persian sketches
    of medieval ships, he brought the project to Sur, Oman in 1980. Sponsored by
    Qaboos bin Said al Said, Sultan of Oman, he guided Omani shipwrights in the
    construction of the "Sohar", an 87-foot (26.5 m) replica of a ninth-century, lateen-rigged,
    cotton-sailed Arab dhow. The ship was constructed in seven months of hand-sawn wooden
    planks sewn together with nearly 400 miles (640 km) of hand-rolled, coconut-husk rope.

    Sohar left Oman on 21 November 1980. Navigating by the stars, Severin and his
    crew of 25 travelled nearly 6,000 miles (9,600 km) in eight months. From Sur they
    sailed east across the Arabian Sea, south down India's Malabar Coast to Lakshadweep
    and on to Calicut, India. The next phase of their voyage took them down the coast
    of India to Sri Lanka. They were becalmed in the doldrums for nearly a month, suffered
    broken spars, and were nearly run down by freighters, but arrived in Guangzhou, China on 6 July."
  7. Zugzwang
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    15 Jan '21 21:54
    @shallow-blue said
    Well... putting "christian" in scare quotes is appropriate whenever that mammon-worshiping country is involved. Still not quite as evil as the Molochian Russia and China, but not far behind. None of the three have the slightest thing to do with Christ, or want to.
    Note ShallowBlue's (typically) dishonest snipping of what I quoted:
    "US set for flurry of ‘Christian nationalist’ bills .."

    Contrary to ShallowBlue's claim, it's 'Christian nationalist', not 'Christian' alone,
    that's in 'scare quotes' (meaning 'so-called' ).
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    @shallow-blue said
    Fat chance. They'd have to find the iron to forge the nails, to begin with. And then there's knowing about the trade winds.
    And when they got there they’d still die of smallpox and gunfire. Then Spain would come to America...
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    @duchess64 said
    ShallowBlue shows his abysmal ignorance of constructing ships.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewn_boat

    "A sewn boat is a type of wooden boat which is clinker built and planks sewn,
    stitched, tied, or bound together ..."

    Some sewn boats made long voyages. Dhows sailed from Arabia to China.
    Along the coastline.

    But Pacific Islanders went cross ocean with their ironless ships.
  10. Zugzwang
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    15 Jan '21 22:10
    @athousandyoung said
    Along the coastline.

    But Pacific Islanders went cross ocean with their ironless ships.
    That's more of a navigational issue.

    My point (to the ignorant ShallowBlue) is that it's quite possible to build,
    without iron nails, ships sturdy enough to make long voyages.
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    It’s possible to jump out of a plane without a parachute and survive. It’s not recommended though.
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    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    Earl of Trumps has a long record of hurling insults and demanding that I be censored.
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    @shallow-blue said
    Well... putting "christian" in scare quotes is appropriate whenever that mammon-worshiping country is involved. Still not quite as evil as the Molochian Russia and China, but not far behind. None of the three have the slightest thing to do with Christ, or want to.
    I'm Christian, and yet I agree with you.

    The 'Christian right' may be right-wing, but they certainly are not Christian. Nothing to do with Christ, indeed.
  15. Zugzwang
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    @suzianne said
    I'm Christian, and yet I agree with you.

    The 'Christian right' may be right-wing, but they certainly are not Christian. Nothing to do with Christ, indeed.
    Suzianne replied to Shallow Blue (another Christian).

    Note this is about 'Christian nationalism'.

    "US set for flurry of ‘Christian nationalist’ bills .."
    --The Guardian

    Contrary to ShallowBlue's claim, it's 'Christian nationalist', not 'Christian' alone,
    that's in 'scare quotes' (meaning 'so-called' ).

    Some Christians believe in the separation of church and state. Other Christians don't believe that.
    While I am sympathetic toward the former belief, I know of no theological reason
    why the latter belief is any less Christian.
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