In this era of collectivism of Obama and company, what exactly are our collective rights? I know what my individual rights are that are covered by the Bill of Rights, but what are my collective rights?
It seems to me that there are no collective rights, much in the same sense that corporations should not be treated like individuals. What concerns me though is the constant move towards collectivism, while watching our individual rights vanish in the process. What are we becoming?
Originally posted by whodeyPerhaps you could kick this discussion off properly by listing some of the individual rights covered by the Bill of Rights that have vanished "in this era of collectivism of Obama and company".
In this era of collectivism of Obama and company, what exactly are our collective rights? I know what my individual rights are that are covered by the Bill of Rights, but what are my collective rights?
It seems to me that there are no collective rights, much in the same sense that corporations should not be treated like individuals. What concerns me thou ...[text shortened]... collectivism, while watching our individual rights vanish in the process. What are we becoming?
Originally posted by FMFThe passage of the NDAA. The governemnt now has the right to detain me without due process, even though it has not been used as of yet.
Perhaps you could kick this discussion off properly by listing some of the individual rights covered by the Bill of Rights that have vanished "in this era of collectivism of Obama and company".
I think a better summation of the liberal position that Obama champions is the abandonment of individual rights for the good of the collective. And of that summation, there can be no doubt that that is precisely how he, this idiot from Auburn University, and the rest of their ilk feel. They have stated as much.
Originally posted by FMFAnd here's a little lesson for you, you obstreperous commie - governments do not grant rights. Governments cannot grant rights. Everyone is born with sovereign, sacrosanct rights that are inseparable from them. Government exists solely to preserve those rights - not to take them away.
Perhaps you could kick this discussion off properly by listing some of the individual rights covered by the Bill of Rights that have vanished "in this era of collectivism of Obama and company".
Originally posted by sasquatch672Obama champions the abandonment of individual rights?
I think a better summation of the liberal position that Obama champions is the abandonment of individual rights for the good of the collective. And of that summation, there can be no doubt that that is precisely how he, this idiot from Auburn University, and the rest of their ilk feel. They have stated as much.
Originally posted by sasquatch672These assertions of yours did not apply to people arrested or captured in the so-called War On Terror. If those prisoners were born with sovereign, sacrosanct rights that are inseparable from them, as you claim, I don't recall your government recognizing those rights that you say "everyone" has. More to the point here, I haven't heard any criticism from either you or whodey towards your own government on this matter. If you were consistent then you would be more convincing.
...governments do not grant rights. Governments cannot grant rights. Everyone is born with sovereign, sacrosanct rights that are inseparable from them. Government exists solely to preserve those rights - not to take them away.
Originally posted by FMFIt's awesomely random and unexpected. I'm not attesting to its accuracy in any way, but just a combination of words I wouldn't ever expect to see. Just the geek in me appreciating creative rhetoric.
By saying "commie" I take it he's calling me a "communist"? How is that "awesome"? 🙂
Originally posted by vivifySasquatch is a vituperative ninny who sometimes takes a page from a thesaurus when the toilet paper runs out.
It's awesomely random and unexpected. I'm not attesting to its accuracy in any way, but just a combination of words I wouldn't ever expect to see. Just the geek in me appreciating creative rhetoric.
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Originally posted by vivifySasquatch672 calling someone a commie, or a libtard, or a leftie, is "awesomely random and unexpected" ? Did you see the news today, apparently someone, somewhere got killed. 😲
It's awesomely random and unexpected. I'm not attesting to its accuracy in any way, but just a combination of words I wouldn't ever expect to see. Just the geek in me appreciating creative rhetoric.