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  1. 19 Apr '13 02:11
    In this era of collectivism of Obama and company, what exactly are our collective rights? I know what my individual rights are that are covered by the Bill of Rights, but what are my collective rights?

    It seems to me that there are no collective rights, much in the same sense that corporations should not be treated like individuals. What concerns me though is the constant move towards collectivism, while watching our individual rights vanish in the process. What are we becoming?
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    19 Apr '13 02:44
    Originally posted by whodey
    In this era of collectivism of Obama and company, what exactly are our collective rights? I know what my individual rights are that are covered by the Bill of Rights, but what are my collective rights?

    It seems to me that there are no collective rights, much in the same sense that corporations should not be treated like individuals. What concerns me thou ...[text shortened]... collectivism, while watching our individual rights vanish in the process. What are we becoming?
    Perhaps you could kick this discussion off properly by listing some of the individual rights covered by the Bill of Rights that have vanished "in this era of collectivism of Obama and company".
  3. 19 Apr '13 03:16
    Originally posted by FMF
    Perhaps you could kick this discussion off properly by listing some of the individual rights covered by the Bill of Rights that have vanished "in this era of collectivism of Obama and company".
    The passage of the NDAA. The governemnt now has the right to detain me without due process, even though it has not been used as of yet.
  4. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    19 Apr '13 03:20
    Originally posted by whodey
    The passage of the NDAA. The governemnt now has the right to detain me without due process, even though it has not been used as of yet.
    So that's one. What are the others?
  5. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    19 Apr '13 03:39
    I think a better summation of the liberal position that Obama champions is the abandonment of individual rights for the good of the collective. And of that summation, there can be no doubt that that is precisely how he, this idiot from Auburn University, and the rest of their ilk feel. They have stated as much.
  6. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    19 Apr '13 03:43
    Originally posted by FMF
    Perhaps you could kick this discussion off properly by listing some of the individual rights covered by the Bill of Rights that have vanished "in this era of collectivism of Obama and company".
    And here's a little lesson for you, you obstreperous commie - governments do not grant rights. Governments cannot grant rights. Everyone is born with sovereign, sacrosanct rights that are inseparable from them. Government exists solely to preserve those rights - not to take them away.
  7. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    19 Apr '13 03:47
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I think a better summation of the liberal position that Obama champions is the abandonment of individual rights for the good of the collective. And of that summation, there can be no doubt that that is precisely how he, this idiot from Auburn University, and the rest of their ilk feel. They have stated as much.
    Obama champions the abandonment of individual rights?
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    19 Apr '13 04:04
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    ...governments do not grant rights. Governments cannot grant rights. Everyone is born with sovereign, sacrosanct rights that are inseparable from them. Government exists solely to preserve those rights - not to take them away.
    These assertions of yours did not apply to people arrested or captured in the so-called War On Terror. If those prisoners were born with sovereign, sacrosanct rights that are inseparable from them, as you claim, I don't recall your government recognizing those rights that you say "everyone" has. More to the point here, I haven't heard any criticism from either you or whodey towards your own government on this matter. If you were consistent then you would be more convincing.
  9. Standard member vivify
    rain
    19 Apr '13 04:16 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    you obstreperous commie
    lmfao. most awesome name-calling ever.
  10. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    19 Apr '13 04:20
    Originally posted by vivify
    lmfao. most awesome name-calling ever.
    By saying "commie" I take it he's calling me a "communist"? How is that "awesome"?
  11. Standard member vivify
    rain
    19 Apr '13 04:31
    Originally posted by FMF
    By saying "commie" I take it he's calling me a "communist"? How is that "awesome"?
    It's awesomely random and unexpected. I'm not attesting to its accuracy in any way, but just a combination of words I wouldn't ever expect to see. Just the geek in me appreciating creative rhetoric.
  12. Standard member vivify
    rain
    19 Apr '13 04:33
    You know, it's what Joe Byser tries so hard to accomplish.
  13. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    19 Apr '13 05:06
    Originally posted by vivify
    It's awesomely random and unexpected. I'm not attesting to its accuracy in any way, but just a combination of words I wouldn't ever expect to see. Just the geek in me appreciating creative rhetoric.
    Sasquatch is a vituperative ninny who sometimes takes a page from a thesaurus when the toilet paper runs out.
  14. Standard member vivify
    rain
    19 Apr '13 06:34
    vituperative ninny...nice.
  15. 19 Apr '13 06:35 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    It's awesomely random and unexpected. I'm not attesting to its accuracy in any way, but just a combination of words I wouldn't ever expect to see. Just the geek in me appreciating creative rhetoric.
    Sasquatch672 calling someone a commie, or a libtard, or a leftie, is "awesomely random and unexpected" ? Did you see the news today, apparently someone, somewhere got killed.