Congradulations Mr. Obama

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
What?

If there is no" Atheist View " than you would not hear from them at all on the subject of religion. Right?

Originally posted by torch71
If there is no" Atheist View " than you would not hear from them at all on the subject of religion. Right?

No? You will hear from them on the subject of religion but the opinions will vary greatly since there is no "atheist ideology".

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
No? You will hear from them on the subject of religion but the opinions will vary greatly since there is no "atheist ideology".

So then they "DO" have an opinion. Therefore Fox news reported the opinion of both sides, fair and balanced I might add.

Originally posted by torch71
So then they "DO" have an opinion. Therefore Fox news reported the opinion of both sides, fair and balanced I might add.

To wage a war on christmas is not the opinion of even the tiniest minority of atheists. Even if some atheists would "wage a war" against christmas, generalizing this to all atheists is like making a statement about the opinion of grey haired people based on statements by Osama Bin Laden. About as fair and balanced as an elephant on an upright toothpick.

Originally posted by torch71
So then they "DO" have an opinion. Therefore Fox news reported the opinion of both sides, fair and balanced I might add.

No, atheists have many different opinions. It's impossible to give a fair, balanced report of anything by recording a few people's opinions. Unless what you're after is a fair, balanced report of what a few people were thinking about something on a particular day, but what's the point of that?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
To wage a war on christmas is not the opinion of even the tiniest minority of atheists. Even if some atheists would "wage a war" against christmas, generalizing this to all atheists is like making a statement about the opinion of grey haired people based on statements by Osama Bin Laden. About as fair and balanced as an elephant on an upright toothpick.

Sorry you feel that way. The atheist in the interview has "waged a war on God" hence the article headline and the group of atheists that he is with and he did not deny it.

If that hurts the feelings of other atheists imagine the christians.

But in my opinion atheists which was the group of atheist the man in the interview was with spent 40,000 dollars on a sign that says "WHY BELIEVE IN GOD" which is directed at christians.

Originally posted by torch71
Sorry you feel that way. The atheist in the interview has "waged a war on God" hence the article headline and the group of atheists that he is with and he did not deny it.

If that hurts the feelings of other atheists imagine the christians.

But in my opinion atheists which was the group of atheist the man in the interview was with spent 40,000 dollars on a sign that says "WHY BELIEVE IN GOD" which is directed at christians.

Well, if you got the idea that that guy was somehow representing a majority or even a significant part of all atheists then Fox News has succeeded in spreading their propaganda and you hammered my point home.

They had these Dawkins bus signs as well here in Finland, that said something like "God probably doesn't exist, so stop worrying and enjoy your life", and at one point I was taking a bus and it went past a church which had a sign "actually he does, just ask the bus driver". I thought it was quite funny. Anyways, these posters and signs are pretty useless, someone isn't going to learn critical thinking just from seeing a sign on a bus.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Well, if you got the idea that that guy was somehow representing a majority or even a significant part of all atheists then Fox News has succeeded in spreading their propaganda and you hammered my point home.

They had these Dawkins bus signs as well here in Finland, that said something like "God probably doesn't exist, so stop worrying and enjoy your ...[text shortened]... useless, someone isn't going to learn critical thinking just from seeing a sign on a bus.

Ther is no religion or any group of people that are considered the whole, so sorry I didn't drive it home for you. Such a people of Islam, Christian, Baptist or any other group, people act and do what they will, BUT HE WAS AN ATHEIST AND THE HEADLINE WAS CORRECT AND THE STORY WAS FAIR MY FRIEND.

A fair and balanced network, that sued for it's right to lie.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/

"Unbiased", but you'd better be a conservative if you want a good chance of getting on Fox, granted it's a pretty old link, but I'm just posting the first things I'm finding with google.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1072

And this is the link I was actually looking for, a study by the university of Maryland that concluded that Fox news viewers were much more likely then the average American to have misconceptions about links between Al-Quada and Saddam, about WMD and about international support for the Iraq war. Strange that people actually get misinformed from watching fair and balanced reporting.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/IraqMedia_Oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf

Edit: for those who want to skip to the relevant portion, page 14

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLJ0Vo8pVio

Oh no! Atheists are waging the "WAR ON CHRISTMAS"!

Actually, from that clip you could say Fox supports atheists. They find a well-spoken, calm and friendly atheist and put him up against a guy who goes from 0 to Hitler in about 3.2 seconds. It's like they want Christians to look bad.

(Really, if you want to find examples of Fox bias, then this clip probably isn't the place to start)

Originally posted by Barts
And this is the link I was actually looking for, a study by the university of Maryland that concluded that Fox news viewers were much more likely then the average American to have misconceptions about links between Al-Quada and Saddam, about WMD and about international support for the Iraq war. Strange that people actually get misinformed from watching fair an ...[text shortened]... t03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf

Edit: for those who want to skip to the relevant portion, page 14

Also funny to read that Republicans are much more likely than Democrats to be misinformed.

And their rate of misconception goes up according to how closely they claim to follow the news!

Originally posted by Barts
Actually, from that clip you could say Fox supports atheists. They find a well-spoken, calm and friendly atheist and put him up against a guy who goes from 0 to Hitler in about 3.2 seconds. It's like they want Christians to look bad.

(Really, if you want to find examples of Fox bias, then this clip probably isn't the place to start)

I think most Fox viewers like people who go from 0 to Hitler in 3.2 seconds. How many seconds does O'Reilly need?

Originally posted by NimzovichLarsen
your support was absurd as i pointed out. please offer proof that fox news is biased...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_bias

there you go.

From the wikipedia page:

"Glenn Beck, the host of an eponymous afternoon commentary show, has used rhetoric on his program that critics claim is over-the-top and extreme. In early 2009, Beck -- who had previously hosted a show on the CNN-affiliated Headline News -- stated on his program that the economic policies of President Barack Obama were "communist", "socialist", and later, "fascist." Beck also outlined various doomsday scenarios for guests to analyze in the segment called "War Room". After the 2009 Pittsburgh police shootings, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann and Media Matters for America claimed that Beck's inflammatory commentaries were a factor in the murders, after it was revealed that the killer -- who held far-right views[76] -- posted a clip from Beck's show on the neo-Nazi Stormfront website[77]. Beck denied that he had any influence on the killer"

"Alan Colmes is touted by Fox as "a hard-hitting liberal",[83] who was used to counter the conservative opinions of his co-host, talk radio personality Sean Hannity, on the now-defunct political debate program Hannity & Colmes. However, he had admitted to USA Today that "I'm quite moderate." He has been characterized by several newspapers as being Sean Hannity's "sidekick".[84] Liberal commentator Al Franken lambasted Colmes in his book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. In the book, Colmes' name is printed in smaller type than all other words. Franken accuses him of refusing to ask tough questions during debates and neglecting to challenge erroneous claims made by Hannity or his guests.[84] In 2008, Colmes announced that he would be leaving the program in January 2009, which led to Hannity becoming the sole host of the show that replaced Hannity & Colmes, simply titled Hannity. This caused critics to further question Fox News' objectivity, given that Colmes was widely cited by Fox News personalities and management as an example of the network's neutrality, and that Hannity's new weeknight show would now more closely resemble his weekend opinion program, Hannity's America. [85] "

"Photocopied memos from Fox News executive John Moody instructed the network's on-air anchors and reporters to use positive language when discussing pro-life viewpoints, the Iraq war, and tax cuts, as well as requesting that the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal be put in context with the other violence in the area.[55] Such memos were reproduced for the film Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism, which included Moody quotes such as, "The soldiers [seen on FOX in Iraq] in the foreground should be identified as 'sharpshooters,' not 'snipers,' which carries a negative connotation."


so, what do you think?