Originally posted by pradtfIsn't Pythagoras the guy who drowned his own student for revealing his discovery of irrational numbers to "outsiders"? Isn't he also the guy who thought eating beans was sinful?
"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love."
Pythagoras, philosopher and mathematician
people who grow up to be serial killers almost always display "the triad of serial killers" as a kid. this is fire-starting, bed-wetting and cruelty to animals. people who are intentionally cruel to animals are acting out all the aggresion and rage they feel for having been treated so poorly when they were young and helpless - more of a disease than anything really. what seems to be a harder issue is how to deal with those that have been culturally conditioned to be completely indifferent to the suffering of animals, as though they were just living clockwork. agian, here i will blame non-eastern religion as the culprit. if these animals have no souls then why should we be concerned for them, right? this is the sort of mentality that led to the practice of vivisection.
Originally posted by pradtfI disagree. I love Tony Roma's hamburgers and they bring me great joy.
"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love."
Pythagoras, philosopher and mathematician
Why should we eat plants instead of animals? Because they're helpless? Because they're stuck in the ground and can't get away? Because they can't scream, we should kill them? 🙄
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?" -Homer Simpson
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemkilling and eating animals isn't really such a horrible thing. as you correctly point out, the difference between animal and plant is somewhat arbitrary and will become more irrelevant the more we understand life in general. however, this thread is about cruelty to animals. the industry from where we get almost all of our meat is unquestionably cruel, as no thought whatsoever is given to the suffering of the animals. it could be done in a much more humane way. we will begin to see more and more of the repercussions of a meat industry whose only concern is profit, such as the dangers of eating foods loaded up with antibiotics and growth hormone. besides this the meat industry ( in america anyway ) is one of the most dangerous professions to work in. the mostly immigrant workers are forced to work at an unreasonable pace and very often lose digits because of it.
I disagree. I love Tony Roma's hamburgers and they bring me great joy.
Why should we eat plants instead of animals? Because they're helpless? Because they're stuck in the ground and can't get away? Because they can't scream, we should kill them? 🙄
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?" -Homer Simpson
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Originally posted by nomindu can thank mcds 4 destroying the meat packing industry
killing and eating animals isn't really such a horrible thing. as you correctly point out, the difference between animal and plant is somewhat arbitrary and will become more irrelevant the more we understand life in general. however, this thread is about cruelty to animals. the industry from where we get almost all of our meat is unquestionably cruel, as n ...[text shortened]... nt workers are forced to work at an unreasonable pace and very often lose digits because of it.
has anyone eaten a horse burger?
Originally posted by bbi2Hey, hold on there bbi2,
this is the mentality that is the problem in our society, that animals are not important. such a shame.
my mother volunteers at an animal sanctuary, sure you have no idea of the suffering of animals at the hands of people
1 I never even remotely said animals are not important. Please re-read my posts, and then reply intelligently.
2 I have more than an 'idea' about the suffering of animals at the hands of people. I consider myself an animal lover (not in the pervy sense, though, obviously...😕).
If you actually do take the time to re-read the thread, you will see that all I was objecting to was the opening statement that cruelty to animals was, and I quote:
'the most cowardly and revolting crime of which degenerate 'humans' are guilty'
I simply stated that this is obviously, blatantly, stupidly wrong. If that was the worst kind of evil man was capable of, I might actually be prepared to start liking people 😉
Please refrain from posting comments like that without first actually reading the words in context, and then hold off your soap-box mentallity for the people who genuinely do not care.
Thank you
Originally posted by nomindI'm not very concerned with reducing the suffering of animals during the process of killing them for food. Other animals don't worry much about whether their prey suffers or not. I would support a less painful method of death as long as it was not too time consuming or expensive.
killing and eating animals isn't really such a horrible thing. as you correctly point out, the difference between animal and plant is somewhat arbitrary and will become more irrelevant the more we understand life in general. however, this thread is about cruelty to animals. the industry from where we get almost all of our meat is unquestionably cruel, as n ...[text shortened]... nt workers are forced to work at an unreasonable pace and very often lose digits because of it.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemactually i think the method of killing is probably fairly humane. it is more the quality of existance before their death that i have a problem with.
I'm not very concerned with reducing the suffering of animals during the process of killing them for food. Other animals don't worry much about whether their prey suffers or not. I would support a less painful method of death as long as it was not too time consuming or expensive.
Originally posted by nomindFYI, people who follow "eastern religion" also eat meat. Buddhism isn't the only (or even the biggest) Eastern religion that believes in reincarnation.
agian, here i will blame non-eastern religion as the culprit. if these animals have no souls then why should we be concerned for them, right?
Originally posted by lucifershammeryes, i know. there is controversy over whether gautama siddartha (the buddha) died after eating some sort of a mushroom or a piece of bad pork. i'm not saying that only the "enlightened east" treats animals like they are supposed to. look at the japanese - shinto and zen buddhism are two of the most prevalent religions in that culture and yet they still hunt whales for dog food and pull sharks from the seas just to slice off their fins and throw them back. my statement did not assert that eastern religion leads to treating animals correctly, only that western religion leads to people treating animals poorly. this is not the same thing, logically speaking.
FYI, people who follow "eastern religion" also eat meat. Buddhism isn't the only (or even the biggest) Eastern religion that believes in reincarnation.