The cause of debt to government is (or should be) irrelevant to political policy.
We all want to pay less to government. Whether that's taxes or loans, it doesn't matter.
Why is the idea of paying less because of education problematic, while the idea of paying less because you're a lazy wealthy heir to a mansion is capitalism?
@wildgrass saidYou can repeat whatever lies you want but wealthy people are in a higher income bracket and therefore pay taxes on more money. Furthermore because the tax system is graduated they pay a higher percentage of taxes on a higher number making the difference even greater. They also pay more for tuition. The fund the medicaid and welfare systems which take their money and give it to others.
The cause of debt to government is (or should be) irrelevant to political policy.
We all want to pay less to government. Whether that's taxes or loans, it doesn't matter.
Why is the idea of paying less because of education problematic, while the idea of paying less because you're a lazy wealthy heir to a mansion is capitalism?
Trump lies but so do you.
@wildgrass saidIf the government has not enough money taxes are too low.
The cause of debt to government is (or should be) irrelevant to political policy.
We all want to pay less to government. Whether that's taxes or loans, it doesn't matter.
Why is the idea of paying less because of education problematic, while the idea of paying less because you're a lazy wealthy heir to a mansion is capitalism?
The question remains:
* Where should government spend money?
If we agree that we need to buy things or services we need to pay as much as it costs. That is just the same for people and corporations. The question for a society is: What is a just distribution of cost? (Everyone accordin to their ability would be a nice motto, wouldn't it?).
@wildgrass saidIf you are going to split hairs, the questions should go along the lines of why should
The cause of debt to government is (or should be) irrelevant to political policy.
We all want to pay less to government. Whether that's taxes or loans, it doesn't matter.
Why is the idea of paying less because of education problematic, while the idea of paying less because you're a lazy wealthy heir to a mansion is capitalism?
the government become so large it takes a huge percentage of our income? What
role should the government not be taking that we can do for ourselves, because it
is healthier for us to do for ourselves? Why should the government determine what
pay someone is entitled to? Why should the government no longer enforce some
laws and not others? Why shouldn't government spending be cut so it isn't
prohibiting public sector growth? Why do some get charged for crimes and others
for doing worse things don't?
@KellyJay
We can't let vital services go by like EPA, I imagine some folks hate the EPA but without them, companies would be again free to dump toxins wherever they want.
If we made major cuts to our military and that could have ramifications, we don't want to start another war because some enemy country challenges us.
SS and Medicare helps tens of millions of folks, wouldn't want that cut.
Still need federal help with infrastructure.
We can't cut our intel folks or FBI and the like, we do have real enemies out there.
So what would you cut?
@sonhouse
If it is necessary for the public good, fine, but if it is not why are we not doing it
for ourselves? We have signs that say don't feed the animals, because if they do
become dependent they cannot survive, yet we do it to each other. Even
caregivers know or should know if their patients can still do things they need to
keep doing for themselves, if they allow the caregiver to do things they can still
do, at some point they will not be able to anymore. We make our children suffer
while learning to do for themselves, but the government, no it likes dependency.
There too many agencies and giveaway programs. Every state has a Dept of Education, so we save $90M by closing that fed agency. Then close a few hundred more. Then deregulate like crazy so the people can get creative and create healthy lives for themselves. Have an agency that supports the truly desperate (40M) and stops right there. Stop being so overwrought about successful people. And I think having 3 presidents would be a good idea, so one man can not be a dictator.
Mainly, have the govt do only what the Constitution provides, and leave us the hell alone.
@wildgrass saidSo taxes are now a debt to the government? Any lowering taxes is forgiving a debt?
The cause of debt to government is (or should be) irrelevant to political policy.
We all want to pay less to government. Whether that's taxes or loans, it doesn't matter.
Why is the idea of paying less because of education problematic, while the idea of paying less because you're a lazy wealthy heir to a mansion is capitalism?
Listen to yourself.
Taxes are government confiscating property by force. Now, it's necessary to some extent of course. We need roads. We need an army. We need super-large teleprompter type for our Geriatric-in-Chief. All those things are trade-offs that we vote for as a society through the political process. But it's not a "debt" owed to anyone. It's confiscation by threat of severe punishment.
@sonhouse saidHow about we figure out how to cut whatever we need to cut to ensure a balanced budget or surplus except in cases of temporary emergency?
@KellyJay
We can't let vital services go by like EPA, I imagine some folks hate the EPA but without them, companies would be again free to dump toxins wherever they want.
If we made major cuts to our military and that could have ramifications, we don't want to start another war because some enemy country challenges us.
SS and Medicare helps tens of millions of folks, w ...[text shortened]... ut our intel folks or FBI and the like, we do have real enemies out there.
So what would you cut?
You know, like private people are expected to live?
@sh76 saidWe can't figure that out because those of liberal bent are doing the figuring, and in the giving out of money to people who do not work as hard of others leaves no end in sight, a spiraling abyss.
How about we figure out how to cut whatever we need to cut to ensure a balanced budget or surplus except in cases of temporary emergency?
You know, like private people are expected to live?
Instead, they have meetings to discuss how much money wealthy people have and how to get it.... and hand it out. Curious indeed.
@wildgrass saidI don’t want to pay less I want to make enough income so I can pay what I owe but the economy is kept tightly in the control of the ultra wealthy so I cannot pay.
The cause of debt to government is (or should be) irrelevant to political policy.
We all want to pay less to government. Whether that's taxes or loans, it doesn't matter.
Why is the idea of paying less because of education problematic, while the idea of paying less because you're a lazy wealthy heir to a mansion is capitalism?
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@athousandyoung saidI am not ultra wealthy...I have had no problem getting ahead in life...I make it a habit to actually get out of bed, not encumbered by having to decide what dress and earrings to wear for the day, I then proceed to do something productive.
I don’t want to pay less I want to make enough income so I can pay what I owe but the economy is kept tightly in the control of the ultra wealthy so I cannot pay.
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@mott-the-hoople saidYup, whining about other people's choice of earrings is very productive indeed.
.I make it a habit to actually get out of bed, not encumbered by having to decide what dress and earrings to wear for the day, I then proceed to do something productive.
@sh76 saidI am listening!
So taxes are now a debt to the government? Any lowering taxes is forgiving a debt?
Listen to yourself.
Taxes are government confiscating property by force. Now, it's necessary to some extent of course. We need roads. We need an army. We need super-large teleprompter type for our Geriatric-in-Chief. All those things are trade-offs that we vote for as a society through the ...[text shortened]... cal process. But it's not a "debt" owed to anyone. It's confiscation by threat of severe punishment.
Use your definition, fine. Although the "by force" part is not exactly very accurate. If you pay a lawyer enough money you don't need to pay taxes. Actually not anecdotally anymore I was digging into how the Elon Musk's of the world get by on their private jets while having apparently no income? LOANS! Billionaires living expenses come from loans so they don't need to pay taxes. Even my HELOC charges 6%... waaaay lower than taxes. Brilliant.
Seriously though. Use your definition. Confiscating property. Fine. The government confiscates property through taxation. Reagan then Bush then Trump came along and said, hey we're going to confiscate less property than we did before (even though they all spent money like a Trifecta winner at the local track).
How's that fundamentally different than government asking for less payments from student loan borrowers (who also owe money to government)? It's the same red ink on the budget. No different from the governments perspective.