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@AverageJoe1 saidStop the BS. The question was whether it's a proper remedy to disqualify a vote just because the voter didn't write a date or wrote the wrong date on a mail in or absentee ballot. That's completely different from trying to create votes just because you lost.
You argue that it is OK to break a law. Amazing. ‘Clear’ is the pesky requirement of dating the ballot.
One of you keeps bringing up the effort of Trump to find more Georgia votes ??? TODAY the counters in PA are stealing votes by counting un-dated ballots. They brag about it.
YOU are guilty guilty. Stealing votes Marauder.
The PA Supreme Court still hasn't ruled on the constitutional question, but decided Monday by a 4-3 vote that, for this election, such votes shouldn't count. The election boards will follow that clear ruling but the courts should clarify the ultimate question - it's a violation of your basic right to vote to strip you of it for such a meaningless error - akin to requiring you to show up with your shoelaces tied or be disenfranchised on Election Day.
EDIT: That's all quite aside from the worshipper of a man convicted of dozens of felonies trying to chide someone for "breaking a law"!
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@AverageJoe1 saidNo, that's just bullsh--.
Jesus, kiddies. 75M are looking for change. It could not be worse, could it. Can any of you be a bit hopeful?
See adjacent post, PA vote counters are actually breaking law to count invalid ballots.
Just because all your conned, buying-into-the-BS friends got your Orange Jesus into the WH, don't start saying they want this, or they want that. All we know for sure is that a majority of voting Americans (not all Americans) were fooled into thinking that your Orange Moses was going to lead them into the Promised Land. It's not a freaking mandate for his policies, because what kind of subhuman would actually WANT him to carryout ANYthing included in the Project 2025 manifesto??
Just stop assuming what all these hypnotized fools actually want when the fact is that you don't know what they want.
@no1marauder saidEveryone knows that you hold yourself out as being the arbiter of whether a law is a good law or not. Quite amazing, but you do. So we are all simple people here, and we all follow law. What if I Jay-Walker crosses the street, which is illegal, but you are standing there and tell the policeman that you think it is a bad law and for him to move along.
What "clear law"? Try reading the materials I just quoted; they say the issue is very much in doubt and many prior rulings have upheld the counting of absentee ballots with no or misdates. It's a trivial and meaningless requirement which should not be sufficient reason to take away one's right to vote.
Would u argue with him like you are doing with us?
It is the law, a creepy woman commissioner says she does not care, that people break laws all the time.
Like you do, Also creepy, man. Save it, find another topic. The courts just shut you down.
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@no1marauder saidNote that you segue to ‘discussing if it is a fair law, ‘or some such.
Stop the BS. The question was whether it's a proper remedy to disqualify a vote just because the voter didn't write a date or wrote the wrong date on a mail in or absentee ballot. That's completely different from trying to create votes just because you lost.
And if that is not enough for you, you stoop to a whataboutism about Trump having broken a law. This is about you saying it is OK to break a law, but you are saying it is NOT OK for Trump to break a bookkeeping law. So now, I have to languish down on that level and do my favorite ism, where, another female pres-wannabe, committed several crimes for which she remains unpunished. Google it.
Please explain why it is badfor Trump to break a law as you have explained before, but it is good for Pennsylvania to break a law.
You won’t.😚😚😑😑
@AverageJoe1 saidHaving already explained it to you and shown you the relevant links I'm not sure why I should waste further time on it except for your insistence on lying about it.
Note that you segue to ‘discussing if it is a fair law, ‘or some such.
And if that is not enough for you, you stoop to a whataboutism about Trump having broken a law. This is about you saying it is OK to break a law, but you are saying it is NOT OK for Trump to break a bookkeeping law. So now, I have to languish down on that level and do my favorite ism, where, an ...[text shortened]... law as you have explained before, but it is good for Pennsylvania to break a law.
You won’t.😚😚😑😑
To recap:
There is a PA law saying a voter who sends in a mail or absentee ballot must sign the envelope. The law doesn't specify what happens if a voter doesn't.
A group brought a lawsuit in September in Philadelphia County asking for a ruling regarding interpretation of the law. The trial court and a mid-level appeals court both ruled the county had to count these votes.
Shortly before the election, the PA Supreme Court stayed that order but it didn't address the underlying issue or say the votes couldn't be counted.
So the County Election Board didn't break any law.
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@no1marauder saidshytweasel lying again...
Having already explained it to you and shown you the relevant links I'm not sure why I should waste further time on it except for your insistence on lying about it.
To recap:
There is a PA law saying a voter who sends in a mail or absentee ballot must sign the envelope. The law doesn't specify what happens if a voter doesn't.
A group brought a lawsuit in Septembe ...[text shortened]... ng issue or say the votes couldn't be counted.
So the County Election Board didn't break any law.
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Step 3:
Seal the yellow envelope in the pre-addressed outer return envelope. Sign and write the current date on the voter’s declaration on the outside of the outer return envelope.
If you do not complete the declaration on the return envelope your ballot will not be counted."
https://www.pa.gov/en/agencies/vote/voter-support/mail-in-and-absentee-ballot.html
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidThat's not a law.
shytweasel lying again...
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Step 3:
Seal the yellow envelope in the pre-addressed outer return envelope. Sign and write the current date on the voter’s declaration on the outside of the outer return envelope.
If you do not complete the declaration on the return envelope your ballot will not be counted."
https://www.pa.gov/en/agencies/vote/voter-support/mail-in-and-absentee-ballot.html
Are you denying that a trial court and appeals court ordered the Philadelphia County Board of Elections to count those votes and it wasn't until this Monday the PA Supreme Court ordered them not to?
I already gave the links.
@no1marauder saidBut, irrespective of links, you say two clicks back, that it is a law. Then here you say That is not a law.
That's not a law.
Are you denying that a trial court and appeals court ordered the Philadelphia County Board of Elections to count those votes and it wasn't until this Monday the PA Supreme Court ordered them not to?
I already gave the links.
Let us skip this slop for a moment, and use your eloquent well researched post(s) to show the libs on the forum why we regard all lib posts with disdainful surmise.
Please, no more of your tar baby on this subject. Jesus H.
@AverageJoe1 saidBut the law doesn't say that those votes don't count - it doesn't say either way. That's why there were court cases i.e. to interpret the law.
But, irrespective of links, you say two clicks back, that it is a law. Then here you say That is not a law.
Let us skip this slop for a moment, and use your eloquent well researched post(s) to show the libs on the forum why we regard all lib posts with disdainful surmise.
Please, no more of your tar baby on this subject. Jesus H.
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@no1marauder saidare you suggesting a unsigned ballot is legal in PA? and yes, it is the law
That's not a law.
Are you denying that a trial court and appeals court ordered the Philadelphia County Board of Elections to count those votes and it wasn't until this Monday the PA Supreme Court ordered them not to?
I already gave the links.
the only exception is if you are medically unable, then you must have a witness to sign for you
About the lower courts saying to go ahead and count them…now you are starting to see how the 2020 election was stolen
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/uconsCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&yr=1937&sessInd=0&smthLwInd=0&act=320&chpt=13D
@Mott-The-Hoople saidNobody said anything about an unsigned ballot.
are you suggesting a unsigned ballot is legal in PA? and yes, it is the law
the only exception is if you are medically unable, then you must have a witness to sign for you
About the lower courts saying to go ahead and count them…now you are starting to see how the 2020 election was stolen
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/uconsCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&yr=1937&sessInd=0&smthLwInd=0&act=320&chpt=13D
@no1marauder saiddamn man you lie like a dog
Nobody said anything about an unsigned ballot.
a couple post above you stated…
“ There is a PA law saying a voter who sends in a mail or absentee ballot must sign the envelope. The law doesn't specify what happens if a voter doesn't”
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidSorry that was a mistake as the rest of the thread shows.
damn man you lie like a dog
a couple post above you stated…
“ There is a PA law saying a voter who sends in a mail or absentee ballot must sign the envelope. The law doesn't specify what happens if a voter doesn't”
The issue was concerning envelopes which were undated or with the wrong date.
As I stated in the first post on this page:
no1: The question was whether it's a proper remedy to disqualify a vote just because the voter didn't write a date or wrote the wrong date on a mail in or absentee ballot.
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@no1marauder saidBOTH are required by law…the election judge admitted as much
Sorry that was a mistake as the rest of the thread shows.
The issue was concerning envelopes which were undated or with the wrong date.
As I stated in the first post on this page:
no1: The question was whether it's a proper remedy to disqualify a vote just because the voter didn't write a date or wrote the wrong date on a mail in or absentee ballot.
the only question is when will the judges be charged with violating election laws?