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@AverageJoe1 saidSo no answer to the question?
This is fun, guys.
Sorry, traveling, I’m getting behind, I am at the point where Marauder deftly introduces ‘fundamental rights!!! Laugh ass off.
Unbelievable. I guess we all , even Marauder, would agree, no response needed!!!!!!! N😂😂😂😀🤣🤣
Should I ask it again?
Yes, voting is a fundamental rights or are you denying that?
@no1marauder saidYes, if not for the simple reason that we would like to see what a straight question looks like from you. Please go for it and I will be standing by.
So no answer to the question?
Should I ask it again?
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@AverageJoe1
Susie Ann was told us that you are a lawyer, so this will be your opportunity to give us a straight unadulterated questionOpinions are useless.
@AverageJoe1 saidTell me how taking away someone's fundamental right to vote for such a trivial reason as they forgot to put a date on an envelope satisfies the strict scrutiny test?
Yes, if not for the simple reason that we would like to see what a straight question looks like from you. Please go for it and I will be standing by.
@Suzianne saidyou people are just ignorant
As long as the election people get it before the deadline, WTF cares when it gets in?
Every ballot gets a postmark put on it by the Postal Service.
Is it just too difficult for you bozos to go by that?
“Each state establishes by law the rules and requirements for ballot submission, including ballot-submission deadlines and the role, if any, that postmarks play in determining whether a ballot was timely. In the normal course of operations, the Postal Service does not postmark, or “cancel” every piece of mail in the system. The primary purpose of cancellation is to ensure that postage cannot be reused, and some categories of postage are precanceled before they enter the mailstream.
https://about.usps.com/kits/kit600/kit600_039.htm
@no1marauder saidOK, I get your question, but if you take this to its logical conclusion, people like you, maybe 100 of you in a line at some voting precinct, could pick up a ballot and make your own personal decision as to whether it qualifies or not. Do I need to rewrite this sentence that I am writing right now? You will not acknowledge the sentence nor the common sense or logic of it.
Tell me how taking away someone's fundamental right to vote for such a trivial reason as they forgot to put a date on an envelope satisfies the strict scrutiny test?
You, Marsuder, could say, “ hey Susie, I have a ballot here that has a date on it, but it is written in the wrong spot. Should it qualify?” Or. “ here is a ballot with ketchup spilled right where the date would be. I cannot tell if it was dated or not. Should I throw it out?”
Or “ here is a ballot which is signed where the dateline is, and dated where the signature line is. How should I rule , as a vote ballot counter on this matter? Is it acceptable or not?”???????”
Or here is the best one… Here is a ballot that is not dated when the law clearly says it should be dated. Should I throw this son of a beetch out?”
Jesus, your hole is 12 feet deep. I am time-zone challenged, you have hours to respond to this, I am turning in.
To clarify, any government action which burdens a fundamental rights must:
A) Further a compelling government interest;
B) Must be narrowly tailored to advance that interest; and
C) Be the least restrictive means to further that interest.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/strict_scrutiny
Now tell me how taking away your right to vote because you forgot to write a meaningless date on an envelope meets any of those criteria.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThat's irrelevant to this discussion; in PA the relevant date is when it is received by the BOE, which has nothing to do with any Post Office markings.
you people are just ignorant
“Each state establishes by law the rules and requirements for ballot submission, including ballot-submission deadlines and the role, if any, that postmarks play in determining whether a ballot was timely. In the normal course of operations, the Postal Service does not postmark, or “cancel” every piece of mail in the system. The p ...[text shortened]... e precanceled before they enter the mailstream.
https://about.usps.com/kits/kit600/kit600_039.htm
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@AverageJoe1 saidNo, the logical conclusion is that the government can't take away your right to vote for something trivial and meaningless which is what this requirement is.
OK, I get your question, but if you take this to its logical conclusion, people like you, maybe 100 of you in a line at some voting precinct, could pick up a ballot and make your own personal decision as to whether it qualifies or not. Do I need to rewrite this sentence that I am writing right now? You will not acknowledge the sentence nor the common sense or logic of it. ...[text shortened]... hole is 12 feet deep. I am time-zone challenged, you have hours to respond to this, I am turning in.
Tell me, what "compelling government interest" does it further?
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@no1marauder saidI didnt say it did, your fluzy sluzy did.
That's irrelevant to this discussion; in PA the relevant date is when it is received by the BOE, which has nothing to do with any Post Office markings.
And, in PA the relavent date is what is written on the ballot.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidNo, it isn't. Regardless of what is written on the ballot envelope, if the ballot arrives after the time limit it doesn't count.
I didnt say it did, your fluzy sluzy did.
And, in PA the relavent date is what is written on the ballot.
@no1marauder saidtotally different scenario, of course there is an end date. ballots recieved 20 yrs later wont be counted either.
No, it isn't. Regardless of what is written on the ballot envelope, if the ballot arrives after the time limit it doesn't count.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThanks for the concession.
totally different scenario, of course there is an end date. ballots recieved 20 yrs later wont be counted either.
So, Voter A fills out his ballot envelope and dates it November 1, 2024 but then forgets to mail it until the day of the election. It arrives the next day and is marked as received by the BOE on November 6th.
What date is relevant; the date on the envelope or the date it is received by the BOE?
