Depopulate the world

@metal-brain said
According to the WSJ: “Billionaires Try to Shrink World’s Population”.
Among the participants were the late David Rockefeller, Warren Buffett, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg Ted Turner, Oprah Winfrey and many more.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-may-2009-meeting-of-the-good-club-billionaire-club-in-bid-to-curb-overpopulation/5742626

When billionaires sa ...[text shortened]... sly. That means don't falsely call it a conspiracy theory just because you don't want to believe it.

You are a frustrating amalgam of far-left progressivism, which I appreciate, and misinformed dumbth to the nth degree, which is less nice.

You say many things that sound as if coming straight from the pages of the wise and esteemed Noam Chomsky, which I appreciate; but it's leavened with home-brewed conspiratorial mumbo-jumbo that makes my brain vomit.

Many things you perceive to be conspiracies are really phenomena governed by the dynamics of complex societies, and not some Star Chamber of Illuminati who have the world in the palm of their hand.

From science to politics to medicine to what-have-you, you perceive conspiracies everywhere, and you certainly have picked your favorites. Or had others running dodgy websites pick them for you.

I cannot prescribe a remedy. You are so far down the rabbit hole as to seem irretrievable.

Anyway, to the topic at hand, it would be a grand thing if the human population were to shrink -- through natural attrition -- to about one billion total. It would solve so many of the world's ills.

@athousandyoung said
It’s a well known observed fact that child mortality and fertility in a population are correlated. When child mortality goes down so does the rate of childbirth.

Yes, but is that a direct or indirect causation? You are saying the less children that die the less people have children. I say that is not a direct causation. Lifting people out of poverty is the direct cause. Children have a better chance of living if they are not in poverty. Lifting people out of poverty reduces the population growth.

@jj-adams said
8 billion people is 8X too many, I'm with the billionaires on this one.
It's population growth that drives all of our world environmental problems, as well as our social ones.

I agree, the present population is unsustainable, socially, politically, ecologically. Population reduction is not only laudable, it is inevitable. The only question is: will it come about sanely and humanely, by design, or through famine, pestilence, war, and frenzy ?

@moonbus said
I agree, the present population is unsustainable, socially, politically, ecologically. Population reduction is not only laudable, it is inevitable. The only question is: will it come about sanely and humanely, by design, or through famine, pestilence, war, and frenzy ?

What is your source of information?

People are already having less children in the western world. It is already coming about.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

@moonbus said
I agree, the present population is unsustainable, socially, politically, ecologically. Population reduction is not only laudable, it is inevitable. The only question is: will it come about sanely and humanely, by design, or through famine, pestilence, war, and frenzy ?

Do you want sterilization like Abraham Myerson?
Are you a eugenicist?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1950/11/sterilization/639980/

@metal-brain said
What is your source of information?

People are already having less children in the western world. It is already coming about.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

From your BBC link:

“It has nothing to do with sperm counts or the usual things that come to mind when discussing fertility.
“Instead it is being driven by more women in education and work, as well as greater access to contraception, leading to women choosing to have fewer children.
“In many ways, falling fertility rates are a success story.”

Choice.
People are choosing to have less kids. Start having families at a later age, etc.

There is no master-mind plot. It’s just individuals wanting less kids.

@metal-brain said
What is your source of information?

People are already having less children in the western world. It is already coming about.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

World Population is rising, only locally is it falling in some places.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

@metal-brain said
Do you want sterilization like Abraham Myerson?
Are you a eugenicist?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1950/11/sterilization/639980/

I want there to be fewer people by sane and humane design, rather than by famine, pestilence, war, and/or frenzy.

@shavixmir said
From your BBC link:

“It has nothing to do with sperm counts or the usual things that come to mind when discussing fertility.
“Instead it is being driven by more women in education and work, as well as greater access to contraception, leading to women choosing to have fewer children.
“In many ways, falling fertility rates are a success story.”

Choice.
People are cho ...[text shortened]... ilies at a later age, etc.

There is no master-mind plot. It’s just individuals wanting less kids.

Then there is no over population problem.
People that want to depopulate the world are stupid, right? It is already happening and Bill Gates and the Rockefellers are idiots. They are like wealthy apes that want to be like nazis to feel like gods. If they really wanted depopulation they would de-impoverish the world, yet no sign of them doing that.

Isn't their real goal to de populate without de-impoverishment? How much philanthropy have they (Bill Gates and the Rockefellers) really done in terms of percentage of wealth?

@metal-brain said
Then there is no over population problem.
People that want to depopulate the world are stupid, right? It is already happening and Bill Gates and the Rockefellers are idiots. They are like wealthy apes that want to be like nazis to feel like gods. If they really wanted depopulation they would de-impoverish the world, yet no sign of them doing that.

Isn't their real go ...[text shortened]... ilanthropy have they (Bill Gates and the Rockefellers) really done in terms of percentage of wealth?

Whatever you’re talking about regarding Bill Gates, it makes no sense; redistribution of a few billionaires’ fortunes isn’t going to reduce over-population.

@moonbus said
Whatever you’re talking about regarding Bill Gates, it makes no sense; redistribution of a few billionaires’ fortunes isn’t going to reduce over-population.

How much philanthropy have they (Bill Gates and the Rockefellers) really done in terms of percentage of wealth?

@Metal-Brain
So you can't figure out how many acres it would take to sustain a human? Turns out to be about 10 acres per person, this is not rocket science.

So we need 80 BILLION acres to sustain 8 billion people.
And there are only about 120 billion acres of land mass on the whole planet.

That says a lot right there.

We need to have LESS than a billion humans on Earth and not reduced by world war 3.

And OF COURSE you would put words in my mouth like I am condoning mass killings by the billions. They already tried that in China and they are STILL around a billion population. Same thing in Russia, all those 30+ million killed of their own folks didn't do much to lower the population.

@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
So you can't figure out how many acres it would take to sustain a human? Turns out to be about 10 acres per person, this is not rocket science.

So we need 80 BILLION acres to sustain 8 billion people.
And there are only about 120 billion acres of land mass on the whole planet.

That says a lot right there.

We need to have LESS than a billion humans on ...[text shortened]... g in Russia, all those 30+ million killed of their own folks didn't do much to lower the population.

What is your source of information?

@metal-brain said
What is your source of information?

Every time you ask that, you get your nose bloodied. Every time you provide your source, you get your nose bloodied. You just don’t learn, do you ?

@metal-brain said
How much philanthropy have they (Bill Gates and the Rockefellers) really done in terms of percentage of wealth?

Why should that matter ?