Dershowitz: democrats cannot impeach Trump

@no1marauder said
I most certainly didn't.

You are truly pathetic.

Why? Because I said acquitted instead of dismissed?
Hardly a gotcha moment.

In any event, the trial is now due to start February 9.

150 Constitutional scholars, including several from organizations as conservative as the Federalist Society and Cato institute, have circulated a letter saying Dershowitz is wrong and former officials can be impeached and disqualified from future office. The letter is here: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000177-2646-de27-a5f7-3fe714ac0000

The most pertinent part:

"More broadly, a singular concern of the Framers in devising our constitutional system was the danger of a power-seeking populist of the type they referred to as a “demagogue” rising to the highest office and overthrowing republican government. The Framers further understood that the source of such a person’s power does not expire if he or she is expelled from office; so long as such a person retains the loyalty of his or her supporters, he or she might return to power. The
Framers devised the disqualification power to guard against that possibility, and would surely disagree that a person who sought to overthrow our democracy could not be disqualified from holding a future office of the United States because the plot reached its crescendo too close to the end of his or her term."

@no1marauder said
150 Constitutional scholars, including several from organizations as conservative as the Federalist Society and Cato institute, have circulated a letter saying Dershowitz is wrong and former officials can be impeached and disqualified from future office. The letter is here: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000177-2646-de27-a5f7-3fe714ac0000

The most pertinent part:

...[text shortened]... e United States because the plot reached its crescendo too close to the end of his or her term."[/b]

Trump did not incite an insurrection. You cannot prove intent.
Kamala is guilty of inciting a riot during the BLM protests.
Your double standard will not go unnoticed in the senate.

@metal-brain said
Trump did not incite an insurrection. You cannot prove intent.
Kamala is guilty of inciting a riot during the BLM protests.
Your double standard will not go unnoticed in the senate.

Points already disposed of in this thread.

It seems unlikely that Trump will be convicted giving Republican pandering to the rabid minority that comprise Trump's base, but you never know.

@no1marauder said
Points already disposed of in this thread.

It seems unlikely that Trump will be convicted giving Republican pandering to the rabid minority that comprise Trump's base, but you never know.

Impeaching Trump will not solve anything but weaken democracy. You want our elections to be more like Iran's elections. Banning people from running is not what democracies do. Democracies let the voters decide, not congressmen who don't represent their constituency when they can.

Let the voters decide. That is the hallmark of a democracy.

@Metal-Brain
Impeaching Trump? HE IS ALREADY IMPEACHED, TWICE. Just because the senate didn't even ALLOW evidence just shows they have donated their balls to Trump and voted to acquit. That has nothing to do with actual truth, that had EVERYTHING to do with the complete Trump takeover of the formerly law and order party to the pathetic bunch of Trump ass kissers.

This time it looks like they HAVE to allow evidence and that evidence is overwhelmig.

But most likely the repub senate will not have regained their lost balls and don't care Trump fomented a COUP attempt AND 5 people are dead because of it but for you, boys will be boys. PROUD boys at that.
Don't forget, those asssholes yelled HANG PENCE, KILL PELOSI.
And if they would have found them that is exactly what they would have done.
There were congressmen complicit in that coup attempt and charges will be coming out now that we are getting rid of the last of the Trump sycophants and a REAL AG will be installed who will be an actual independent agency and not the personal attorney for the service of Trump.

@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
Impeaching Trump? HE IS ALREADY IMPEACHED, TWICE. Just because the senate didn't even ALLOW evidence just shows they havc donated their balls to Trump.

This time it looks like they HAVE to allow evidence and that evidence is overwhelmig.

But most likely the repub senate will not have regained their lost balls and don't care Trump fomented a COUP attempt AND 5 people are dead because of it but for you, boys will be boys. PROUD boys at that.

Don't call that impeached, call it what it is. It is a vote to hold a senate trial. Beyond that it is just symbolic. It is nothing more than that. It doesn't prevent him from running in 2024.

A true impeachment is a conviction.

What evidence? He called for peaceful protests. He didn't call for riots and he certainly did not call for an insurrection. Take a reality pill. False rumors spread by the corporate news media is not evidence, it is gossip. Know the difference.

@Metal-Brain
You are SO full of SHYTE. Impeachment comes EXCLUSIVELY from the house and the senate does the actual trial.
Your BS support of Trump will never end will it? I bet your biggest disappointment of 2021 so far was you could not be on of the insurrectionists killing in the capitol building.

@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
You are SO full of SHYTE. Impeachment comes EXCLUSIVELY from the house and the senate does the actual trial.
Your BS support of Trump will never end will it? I bet your biggest disappointment of 2021 so far was you could not be on of the insurrectionists killing in the capitol building.

He can still run in 2024. FAIL!

@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
You are SO full of SHYTE. Impeachment comes EXCLUSIVELY from the house and the senate does the actual trial.
Your BS support of Trump will never end will it? I bet your biggest disappointment of 2021 so far was you could not be on of the insurrectionists killing in the capitol building.

Did Trump call for an insurrection? Nope.
Gossip is not proof. Stop repeating false gossip!

@Metal-Brain
He didn't have to and you know that full well. He just aimed his crowd at the capitol building and actually LIED when he said he would be there with them also, just adding to the tens of thousands of Trump lies. He SAID You have to be STRONG or else we will lose our democracy.

AND the dudes who actually did the coup attempt to the last person SAID they were obeying Trump's orders. But you knew THAT full well also which just goes to show your profound hypocrite brain.

@metal-brain said
Impeaching Trump will not solve anything but weaken democracy. You want our elections to be more like Iran's elections. Banning people from running is not what democracies do. Democracies let the voters decide, not congressmen who don't represent their constituency when they can.

Let the voters decide. That is the hallmark of a democracy.

You're childish. The Framers put the punishment of banning someone impeached and convicted from holding "any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States" for a reason; they have already shown themselves to be unworthy of such a position. Moreover, the Constitution has many provisions limiting who can hold elective offices; a President must be 35 years old, must be a natural born citizen, been fourteen years a resident within the United States and by amendment cannot serve more than two terms. Senators must have reached 30 years of age, must have been a citizen of the United States for 9 years and must be an inhabitant of the State they represent, etc. etc. etc.

Amusingly, the same Republican party that wanted term limits for members of Congress is now crying how undemocratic the Constitutional provision allowing a convicted President to be banned from US public positions of trust is.

@metal-brain said
Don't call that impeached, call it what it is. It is a vote to hold a senate trial. Beyond that it is just symbolic. It is nothing more than that. It doesn't prevent him from running in 2024.

A true impeachment is a conviction.

What evidence? He called for peaceful protests. He didn't call for riots and he certainly did not call for an insurrection. Take a reality ...[text shortened]... False rumors spread by the corporate news media is not evidence, it is gossip. Know the difference.

The Constitution calls what the House does "impeachment", so why should we accept a different definition provided by an internet poster rather than what the Framers provided?

I think you didn't read Trump's speech at all but accepted hook, line and sinker the Epoch Times version of it. Intent "is generally shown by circumstantial evidence such as the acts or knowledge of the defendant" (https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/intent#:~:text=For%20general%20intent%2C%20the%20prosecution,perform%20the%20action%20with%20a) and Trump surely knew and obviously intended that the mob disrupt the counting of the Electoral College votes. It was no accident he called for the massing of his adorers on that day at the Capitol and then whipped them into a frenzy with lies after which they immediately marched to the Capitol, attacked the police officers defending it and then stormed the building with murderous intentions towards members of Congress and the Vice President.

Maybe you think he should get another chance at doing the same thing but it would surely be a prudent decision by the US Senate to forego any possibility of a repeat of such anti-democratic actions in 2024.

@metal-brain said
Impeaching Trump will not solve anything but weaken democracy. You want our elections to be more like Iran's elections. Banning people from running is not what democracies do. Democracies let the voters decide, not congressmen who don't represent their constituency when they can.

Let the voters decide. That is the hallmark of a democracy.

You should have a serious word with Putin MB