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    20 Apr '18 13:281 edit
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/18/comey-says-mccabe-lied-confirms-kick-started-probe-that-led-to-his-firing.html

    Comey says McCabe lied, confirms he kick-started probe that led to his firing

    “Good people lie. I think I’m a good person, where I have lied,” Comey said. “I still believe Andrew McCabe is a good person but the inspector general found he lied.”

    Comey added that there are “severe consequences” within the Justice Department and the FBI for those who lie.
  2. Germany
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    20 Apr '18 15:17
    Do you consider yourself a good person, whodey?
  3. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    20 Apr '18 15:29
    Would a good person believe anything broadcast by Fox News?
  4. SubscriberWOLFE63
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    20 Apr '18 16:04
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Would a good person believe anything broadcast by Fox News?
    Do "bad" people tell the truth?

    On the spectrum in-between...we aren't all, what we seem.
    Human beings have both good and bad, innately baked in.
    Our very survival depends upon...
    occasional fibs and goofy whoppers.

    But that toe-headed faux of a man in the oval office,
    will say anything, for every argument to win.
    And history will record...
    his most treacherous, "show-stoppers".
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    20 Apr '18 16:35
    Should they do away with the Bible at presidential inaugurations ?

    Just wondering.
  6. Zugzwang
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    20 Apr '18 17:15
    "I will not trade my life for a lie."
    --Andreas Hofer (executed in 1810)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zu_Mantua_in_Banden
  7. Standard membershavixmir
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    20 Apr '18 19:40
    Of course good people lie.

    Damn society if we told the truth all the time.

    “Of course that dress makes you look like a hippo.”

    “Oh, darling, your personality is a like a fart in a space suit. Perhaps stick to drama rather than comedy.

    To kid: “You ain’t no Picasso. Jesus your painting sucks!”
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    The lie and the truth are in your head. Words get kinda iffy.
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    21 Apr '18 15:48
    Closing In: Criminal Referral Issued For Comey, Clinton, Lynch, McCabe, Strzok And Page

    April 18, 2018
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    “the charges for all include obstruction, perjury, corruption, unauthorized removal of classified documents, contributions and donations by foreign…”

    from Zero Hedge:

    Eleven GOP members of Congress led by Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) have written a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Attorney John Huber, and FBI Director Christopher Wray – asking them to investigate former FBI Director James Comey, Hillary Clinton and others – including FBI lovebirds Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, for a laundry list of potential crimes surrounding the 2016 U.S. presidential election.



    Recall that Sessions paired special prosecutor John Huber with DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz – falling short of a second Special Counsel, but empowering Horowitz to fully investigate allegations of FBI FISA abuse with subpoena power and other methods he was formerly unable to utilize.



    The GOP letter’s primary focus appears to be James Comey, while the charges for all include obstruction, perjury, corruption, unauthorized removal of classified documents, contributions and donations by foreign nationals and other allegations.


    The letter also demands that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein “be recused from any examination of FISA abuse,” and recommends that “neither U.S. Attorney John Huber nor a special counsel (if appointed) should report to Rosenstein.”

    The letter refers the following individuals for the following conduct:

    James Comey – obstruction, perjury, corruption, stealing public property or records, gathering transmitting or losing defense information, unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents, false statements.
    •“Comey’s decision not to seek charges against Clinton’s misconduct suggests improper investigative conduct, potentially motivated by a political agenda.”
    •The letter calls Comey out for leaking his confidential memos to the press. “In light of the fact that four of the seven memos were classified, it would appear that former Director Comey leaked classified information when sharing these memos…“
    •Comey “circulated a draft statement” of the FBI’s decision to exonerate Hillary Clinton for mishandling classified information – a conclusion reached before the agency had interviewed key witnesses. “At that point, 17 interviews with potential witnesses had not taken place, including with Clinton and her chief of staff…”
    •The letter also seeks clarification on “material inconsistencies between the description of the FBI’s relationship with Mr. Steele that you [then FBI Director Comey] did provide in your briefing and information contained in Justice Department documents made available to the Committee only after the briefing.”

    Hillary Clinton – contributions and donations by foreign nationals
    •“A lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee paid Washington firm Fusion GPS to conduct research that led to the Steele dossier…”
    •“Accordingly, for disguising payments to Fusion GPS on mandatory disclosures to the Federal Election Commission, we refer Hillary Clinton to DOJ for potential violation(s) of 52 USC 30121 and 52 USC 30101”

    Loretta Lynch – obstruction, corruption
    •“We raise concerns regarding her decision to threaten with reprisal the former FBI informant who tried to come forward in 2016 with insight into the Uranium One deal.”
    •Of note, this refers to longtime CIA and FBI undercover informant William D. Campbell, who came forward with evidence of bribery schemes involving Russian nuclear officials, an American trucking company, and efforts to route money to the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI).

    Andrew McCabe – false statements, perjury, obstruction
    •“During the internal Hillary Clinton investigation, Mr. McCabe “lacked candor — including under oath — on multiple occasions,” the letter reads. “That is a fireable offense, and Mr. Sessions said that career, apolotical employees at the F.B.I. and Justice Department agreed that Mr. McCabe should be fired.”
    •“The DOJ Office of the Inspector General recently released a February 2018 misconduct report… confirming four instances of McCabe’s lack of candor, including three instances under oath, as well as the conclusion that McCabe’s decision to confirm the existence of the Clinton Foundation Investigation through an anonymously sourced quite violated the FBI’s and DOJ’s media policy and constituted misconduct.”

    Peter Strzok and Lisa Page – obstruction, corruption,
    •“We raise concerns regarding their interference in the Hillary Clinton investigation regarding her use of a personal email server.”
    •Referring to a Wall Street Journal article from January 22, 2018 – “The report provides the following alarming specifics, among others: “Mr. Strzok texts Ms. Page to tell her that, in fact, senior officials had decided to water down the reference to President Obama to ‘another senior government official.” By the time Mr. Comey gave his public statement on July 5, both references – to Mr. Obama and to “another senior government official” had disappeared.”

    “Department of Justice (DOJ) and FBI personnel connected to the compilation of documents on alleged links between Russia and then-presidential candidate Donald Trump known as the “Steele dossier.”
    •This section of the letter calls out Comey, McCabe, former acting AG Sally Yates, and former acting Deputy AG Dana Boente regarding the Steele dossier.
    •“we raise concerns regarding the presentation of false and/or unverified information to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in connection with the former Trump aide Carter Page”
    •“Former and current DOJ and FBI leadership have confirmed to the Committee that unverified information from the Steele dossier comprised an essential part of the FISA applications related to Carter Page”
    •“Accordingly we refer to DOJ all DOJ and FBI personnel responsible for signing the Carter Page warrant application that contained unverified and/or false information”

    The criminal referrals for the group allegedly responsible for FISA abuse include: obstruction, deprivation of rights under color of law, corruption
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    21 Apr '18 15:50
    Like the Trump investigation, I think we all know this will go no where, but it would be fun if Trump puts a bunch of openly Hillary hating love birds to spear head the investigation, just to make it fair.
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    21 Apr '18 16:11
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Like the Trump investigation, I think we all know this will go no where, but it would be fun if Trump puts a bunch of openly Hillary hating love birds to spear head the investigation, just to make it fair.
    Perhaps you missed the dozens of individuals already indicted during the course of the Mueller investigation - some of them pleading guilty in order to catch bigger fish.

    How many people out of the list on your garbage Kremlin article have been indicted so far?
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    21 Apr '18 17:251 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Perhaps you missed the dozens of individuals already indicted during the course of the Mueller investigation - some of them pleading guilty in order to catch bigger fish.

    How many people out of the list on your garbage Kremlin article have been indicted so far?
    Currently they are destroying the life of general Flynn over only one lie to the FBI, but to date, people like Hillary have yet to held to account for any of their lies.

    YouTube

    Crazy, huh?
  13. Germany
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    21 Apr '18 18:13
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Currently they are destroying the life of general Flynn over only one lie to the FBI, but to date, people like Hillary have yet to held to account for any of their lies.

    [youtube]wbkS26PX4rc[/youtube]

    Crazy, huh?
    Clinton didn't lie to FBI investigators. Flynn did. Lying isn't a criminal offence in the U.S. (which is fortunate for you). Lying to FBI investigators is.
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    21 Apr '18 19:03
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Clinton didn't lie to FBI investigators. Flynn did. Lying isn't a criminal offence in the U.S. (which is fortunate for you). Lying to FBI investigators is.
    The Goldwater girl's whole life is one big lie.

    As I have shown with the video, she contradicted what Comey had said on multiple issues.

    The difference is, Comey was not looking to get those lies on the record like he was Flynn.
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    21 Apr '18 19:43
    Originally posted by @whodey
    The Goldwater girl's whole life is one big lie.

    As I have shown with the video, she contradicted what Comey had said on multiple issues.

    The difference is, Comey was not looking to get those lies on the record like he was Flynn.
    You do realize that Hillary spoke to FBI investigators for almost 4 hours under the same rules and conditions Flynn spoke to them?
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