@Earl-of-Trumps saidIs being a hair stylist a right?
Hair stylists go through a more stringent procedure to be licensed than people would to get a Voter ID
@no1marauder saidOwning a firearm is a constitutional right...is an ID required to buy one?
Is being a hair stylist a right?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidDidn't we already do this? It's specifically referred to as a right FOUR times in the US Constitution.
voting isnt a constitutional right
@Mott-The-Hoople saidSure, no right is absolute; reasonable regulations are allowed. Still the standard for government regulation of commercial employment are more lenient than those affecting basic rights.
Owning a firearm is a constitutional right...is an ID required to buy one?
Not claiming Photo ID laws are unconstitutional, just that the ones proposed are ineffective, burdensome and unnecessary.
@AverageJoe1 saidLet's say I'm in line at my polling place and see someone who looks really young about to feed his ballot into the machine. Do I have a "right" to go over to him and demand he show ID to me proving he's at least 18 years old before he can vote?
Is this not the crux of the matter? I just asked marauder on another thread if I have a right to know that someone who is voting for the president of my country is a citizen of my country. Sounds logical, doesn’t it?
I will not wait for him to answer that on the other thread, as he will have no answer, except to agree with me, which would shut down all of his anti-p ...[text shortened]... w much more simple can average Joe make it. All of my stuff is simple… even my analogies are simple.
Or I see someone I don't recognize as living in my neighborhood. Do I have a "right" to insist he prove to me that he lives in my precinct before he can vote?
Etc, etc, etc.
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And you also do not have the constitutional right to drink water. ð
No problemo! The preamble to the constitution to the rescue!
"...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
Those words are chilling. so cool.
@no1marauder saidNo you certainly, of course do not have a right to invade anyone’s privacy or ask them what to do or tell them what to do, or to ask them what they are or who they are or where they came from and what their age is and all about their family and what church they go to. It is none of your business. Let’s get that out in the open in case you don’t know that. I would think you know that and you would not even ask that question. Now, if you want to ask me what I’m talking about that is different.
Let's say I'm in line at my polling place and see someone who looks really young about to feed his ballot into the machine. Do I have a "right" to go over to him and demand he show ID to me proving he's at least 18 years old before he can vote?
Or I see someone I don't recognize as living in my neighborhood. Do I have a "right" to insist he prove to me that he lives in my precinct before he can vote?
Etc, etc, etc.
How so? My point is that a citizen has a right to KNOW that all of the people who vote in this country are citizens.
Average Joe has has said nothing about accosting people and asking them personal questions. Average Joe is saying that the government has to be sure that everyone voting is a citizen, and the citizens that are voting need to be assured by the government that the people who are voting with them are citizens.
So for the 20th time, do you think that a citizen who votes in this country has the right to know(not to accost) that all other voters are citizens.
If you have not figured this out, the way they know is if the government is protecting votes from non-citizens. So just check with the government to find out if the voter in the room is a citizen, although you do not have to check anything if you trust that your government has approved all voters.
I have won this discussion 20 times over but you keep haranguing about it. What is your problem and I’m surprised with you, marauder, about this.
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@AverageJoe1
If no one wanted to read all that, average Joe says the government will tell us if they are citizens or not. We do not walk up to someone and ask them if they are a citizen. We have no right to do that..
My question has been do we have a right to know that they are citizens. Sorry it was so complicated.ðĪŠðĩðŦð
@no1marauder saidif it was you would have posted links
Didn't we already do this? It's specifically referred to as a right FOUR times in the US Constitution.
@no1marauder said"Sure, no right is absolute; reasonable regulations are allowed'
Sure, no right is absolute; reasonable regulations are allowed. Still the standard for government regulation of commercial employment are more lenient than those affecting basic rights.
Not claiming Photo ID laws are unconstitutional, just that the ones proposed are ineffective, burdensome and unnecessary.
so now you agree with us conservatives...good
@AverageJoe1 saidBut you're all like: "How do we know? HOW do we KNOW??"
@AverageJoe1
If no one wanted to read all that, average Joe says the government will tell us if they are citizens or not. We do not walk up to someone and ask them if they are a citizen. We have no right to do that..
My question has been do we have a right to know that they are citizens. Sorry it was so complicated.ðĪŠðĩðŦð
You don't freaking need to know. Live your own life.
@Earl-of-Trumps saidThat is correct.
And you also do not have the constitutional right to drink water. ð
No problemo! The preamble to the constitution to the rescue!
"...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
Those words are chilling. so cool.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidI did before and you ignored them.
if it was you would have posted links
15th, 19th, 24th and 26th Amendments. https://constitutionus.com/constitution/amendments/constitutional-amendments/