12 Jun 14
Originally posted by KellyJayDepends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden example of an American president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
I don't think he does, but I could be wrong.
Thoughts/
Kelly
13 Jun 14
Originally posted by finneganin a nutshell.
Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden ex ...[text shortened]... erican president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
13 Jun 14
Originally posted by finneganDepending on which law, no all laws! If he can pick and chose which laws
Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden ex ...[text shortened]... erican president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
to obey or not, which laws to enforce or not, if he can just create laws by
not going through the proper processes, that would be disrespecting the
law.
Kelly
13 Jun 14
Originally posted by KellyJayFor the Progressive, a law is either a weapon to be used against an adversary, or an obstacle to be ignored.
Depending on which law, no all laws! If he can pick and chose which laws
to obey or not, which laws to enforce or not, if he can just create laws by
not going through the proper processes, that would be disrespecting the
law.
Kelly
13 Jun 14
Originally posted by finneganIt's been a wonderful Progressive era, hasn't it? 😵
Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden ex ...[text shortened]... erican president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
13 Jun 14
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Originally posted by whodeySeems so.
For the Progressive, a law is either a weapon to be used against an adversary, or an obstacle to be ignored.
If the law only cuts one way meaning it is allowed to harm one group and
not another doing the same thing or worse. The law then becomes very
worthless, and will cause a revolt if it isn't corrected. Everyone needs to
be held accountable the same way for the same things, or the law is
worthless, and the justice department who enforces law did this it would no
longer worried be about justice it would be turned into a group of thugs
pushing people around. Real justice gives them power, one sided justice
makes them thugs.
Kelly
13 Jun 14
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Originally posted by KellyJayThis has been building since the days of Nixon.
Seems so.
If the law only cuts one way meaning it is allowed to harm one group and
not another doing the same thing or worse. The law then becomes very
worthless, and will cause a revolt if it isn't corrected. Everyone needs to
be held accountable the same way for the same things, or the law is
worthless, and the justice department who enforces law did ...[text shortened]... ushing people around. Real justice gives them power, one sided justice
makes them thugs.
Kelly
Sure he was forced to resign, but he never saw jail time. This showed that those in power over us are above the law. Today I doubt a President could be forced to resign like Nixon. The corruption keeps building on itself.
Essentially you have lawmakers whine about Obama doing things "illegally" in both parties, but nothing is ever done.
13 Jun 14
Originally posted by whodeyWithout a sure foundation it will fall, shifting sands will not hold up anything
This has been building since the days of Nixon.
Sure he was forced to resign, but he never saw jail time. This showed that those in power over us are above the law. Today I doubt a President could be forced to resign like Nixon. The corruption keeps building on itself.
Essentially you have lawmakers whine about Obama doing things "illegally" in both parties, but nothing is ever done.
over time.
Kelly
13 Jun 14
Originally posted by EladarLook at what is going on in US, the rule of law is ignored, the government is
Will die?
starting to use the IRS as a weapon ignored, the government is spying on
Americans ignored, the government setup guns to drug lords ignored, the
debt of the this country is 17T in debt and climbing ignored, the boarders
are wide open and kids are coming by the thousands over whelming the
ability to deal with them and it is almost completely ignored, and I guess
I could on. I think change is coming, and it will not be good when it settles
down into every day life freedom is dying.
Kelly
13 Jun 14
Originally posted by finneganIf you want to compare Obama to other US presidents, Cheney isn't part of that.
Depends which law you have in mind. Americans of any persuasion are not known for tolerating any legal restraint on their selfish interests. Try charging an American with war crimes for example and see how you get on. What Americans like to do is to impose laws that other countries have to abide by. On the whole, Obama is just a typical, common or garden ex ...[text shortened]... erican president and probably a little bit less appalling than his predecessors Bush and Cheney.
Most Presidents in recent memory have significantly ignored laws they didn't favor, in some cases attempting to repeal or modify them. Other tactics include failure to enforce, executive order contrary to law. Unlawful use of federal agencies for partisan ends.
Obama seems near the top on all of those counts.