@no1marauder saidI don’t study like you do……it is that, or play golf. So not into a risk of Rashrnberge. Anyway, ‘tis you have wandered… I write and query the threat of Trump towards Raffenberger ( or whomever for that matter)…what threat.????. I don’t know of risk issue.
Why don't you answer the question?
What was the "big risk" Raffenberger was taking according to Trump? And what was the only way he could avoid that "big risk"?
Again, what was Threat attributed to Trump? Just trying to clear up the can of worms.
@no1marauder saidI get that, and will give you this bout if you can send us transcript of trump’s exact threat. Simple stuff. Is this what he said? The ‘you are facing ‘ part? That, as pres, he would bring crim charges? If so, you win.
Maybe you are that stupid. Let me paraphrase:
Trump: Gee, you're taking a big risk of criminal charges if you don't find me enough votes to give me the election in Georgia.
Better?
Like the guy running the protection racket talking to the store owner, Trump is threatening unpleasant consequences (which he can control) if the victim doesn't accede to his demands.
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@averagejoe1 saidJesus, I've given the link to the transcript twice in this thread and once in another; how many times do I have to do so?
I get that, and will give you this bout if you can send us transcript of trump’s exact threat. Simple stuff. Is this what he said? The ‘you are facing ‘ part? That, as pres, he would bring crim charges? If so, you win.
Trump: "And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk. "
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html
@no1marauder saidwhat is wrong with advising the law?
Jesus, I've given the link to the transcript twice in this thread and once in another; how many times do I have to do so?
Trump: "And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’ ...[text shortened]...
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html
@mott-the-hoople saidGee, what's wrong with the guy running the protection racket "advising" the store owners of the danger of fire?
what is wrong with advising the law?
@no1marauder saidwhat law does advising of the dangers of fire break?
Gee, what's wrong with the guy running the protection racket "advising" the store owners of the danger of fire?
@mott-the-hoople saidThe hypothetical was this:
what law does advising of the dangers of fire break?
Kinda like when the shakedown artist tells the storeowner he needs to pay for "protection" because "it would be a shame if this place burned down".
So in your "professional" opinion that would be perfectly legal?
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@mott-the-hoople saidActions which would normally be perfectly legal can be "overt acts" which are proof of a criminal conspiracy.
what law does advising of the dangers of fire break?
It's perfectly legal to stroll past First National Bank, but if you are doing so to find out where the guards and cameras are as part of a plan to rob First National then you're guilty of conspiracy:
" The overt act does not have to be criminal and may be planning or preparatory activity that would be insufficient to constitute the criminal act element required for attempt (State v. Verive, 2011)."
https://open.lib.umn.edu/criminallaw/chapter/8-2-conspiracy/
It could, of course, be argued that what Trump and Lefty the Protection Guy are doing is a criminal act, however, namely "extortion".
Specifically, one of Trump's charges is because of the phone call with Raffensberger. He is charged with:
§ 16-4-7. Criminal Solicitation
A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony, he solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct.
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2022/title-16/chapter-4/section-16-4-7/
This is because he was extorting (or asking very nicely according to Mott) Raffensberger to violate his oath of office by "finding" non-existent votes to overturn an already certified election:
§ 16-10-1. Violation of Oath by Public Officer
Any public officer who willfully and intentionally violates the terms of his oath as prescribed by law shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years.
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2022/title-16/chapter-10/article-1/section-16-10-1/
@no1marauder saidJury question of fact
The hypothetical was this:
Kinda like when the shakedown artist tells the storeowner he needs to pay for "protection" because "it would be a shame if this place burned down".
So in your "professional" opinion that would be perfectly legal?
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@no1marauder saidThis is untrodden ground,Marauder. We may all agree with your applying these sites,but you do not pin point a threat.
Specifically, one of Trump's charges is because of the phone call with Raffensberger. He is charged with:
§ 16-4-7. Criminal Solicitation
A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony, he solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to e ...[text shortened]... e years.
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2022/title-16/chapter-10/article-1/section-16-10-1/
Was his askingBerger to find votes a threat, or did he stop short of a threat? If I ask/tell my brother to go find all my baseballs in the yard, where is the threat in my statement?
You really want to imprison Trump for phone calls, don’t you? Very shallow adjudicating.
Ruin the man by god. Be ashamed.
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@averagejoe1 saidI really think I'm going to stop responding to your posts, which are invariably brainless stupidity.
This is untrodden ground,Marauder. We may all agree with your applying these sites,but you do not pin point a threat.
Was his askingBerger to find votes a threat, or did he stop short of a threat? If I ask/tell my brother to go find all my baseballs in the yard, where is the threat in my statement?
You really want to imprison Trump for phone calls, don’t you? Very shallow adjudicating.
Ruin the man by god. Be ashamed.
The guy who runs the Executive Branch of the United States says you and your lawyer are committing a "criminal offense" and are "at risk" if you don't do what he says and you're going to keep asking "where's the threat"?
Moron.
@no1marauder saidAll due respects, your interpretation of risk is that of a person of the liberal persuasion, that's all. In my moronic example above, I could have said .'get all the baseballs or our bball coach (or some authority, maybe Dad) will be mad at you!' That is not a threat.
I really think I'm going to stop responding to your posts, which are invariably brainless stupidity.
The guy who runs the Executive Branch of the United States says you and your lawyer are committing a "criminal offense" and are "at risk" if you don't do what he says and you're going to keep asking "where's the threat"?
Moron.
We just have differing opinions, one of which is to do anything, find any sliver, to bring this man down so that he will not replace a senile very old man.