1. Standard memberadam warlock
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    02 Oct '10 10:45
    Originally posted by Palynka
    A bit of everything.
    Option d) is the most interesting because it seems to imply that:

    a) you seem to think that you know my definition of a revolutionary. And you also seem to to think that you know that I think that I fit in in what you think that my definition of a revolutionary is.

    b) You have a definition of what a revolutionary is and you think I fit in it.

    Option a) is really presumptuous and option b) is really cute, but I don't think I'm a revolutionary in any sense of the word: I'm a consistent libertarian socialist.
  2. Subscriberkmax87
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    02 Oct '10 12:05
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    .......but I don't think I'm a revolutionary in any sense of the word: I'm a consistent libertarian socialist.
    .......I think we need a price check in ailse 13. ........Waj, isn't it a total contradiction in terms to talk of being a libertarian socialist?
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    02 Oct '10 13:20
    Originally posted by kmax87
    .......I think we need a price check in ailse 13. ........Waj, isn't it a total contradiction in terms to talk of being a libertarian socialist?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
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    02 Oct '10 13:58
    Originally posted by rwingett
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
    ...."without private property"......I'll still stick to my guns, Waj will not like this left side attack on his kosher views....
  5. Donationrwingett
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    02 Oct '10 14:40
    Originally posted by kmax87
    ...."without private property"......I'll still stick to my guns, Waj will not like this left side attack on his kosher views....
    Libertarian socialism is basically equivalent to anarchism. Although since the term 'anarchism' has gained such a pejorative connotation, many people find 'libertarian socialism' to be a better descriptor.
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    03 Oct '10 11:42
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    let me guess: dope costs too much and if colombia were to legalize it prices would go down worldwide.
    maybe you should've checked with wiki before positing. it wouldn't matter if colombia made the production and distribution of all drugs legal as the us and europe (its two biggest markets) are very unlikely to do the same, resulting in prices staying about the same.

    btw you legally can carry some weed and cocaine in colombia, i think it's 5g of coke and 15g of weed but don't quote me on the exact figures. it is technically illegal to grow but the amazonas regions in which they're grown are largely ungoverned by the colombian government so a law change legalising it would only harm the government’s international relations without actually helping the growers a huge amount.
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    03 Oct '10 11:54
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    why is that?
    lets just say i'm not a fan of any government who bends over backwards to help the rich while totally neglecting its poorest people.
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    03 Oct '10 15:58
    Originally posted by trev33
    lets just say i'm not a fan of any government who bends over backwards to help the rich while totally neglecting its poorest people.
    I see, do you have any specific reason to believe colombia's govt is guilty of such offense?
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    03 Oct '10 18:55
    Originally posted by trev33
    maybe you should've checked with wiki before positing. it wouldn't matter if colombia made the production and distribution of all drugs legal as the us and europe (its two biggest markets) are very unlikely to do the same, resulting in prices staying about the same.

    btw you legally can carry some weed and cocaine in colombia, i think it's 5g of coke and 1 ...[text shortened]... he government’s international relations without actually helping the growers a huge amount.
    if all legal controls are dropped in the main source country, prices are not going to remain the same in the consumer countries.
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    03 Oct '10 20:29
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    I see, do you have any specific reason to believe colombia's govt is guilty of such offense?
    how about the fact that there's visibly many more homeless people in colombia than in any other s. american county while the government continues to spend millions each year on a war they can't possibly win to please the middle class.
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    03 Oct '10 20:31
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    if all legal controls are dropped in the main source country, prices are not going to remain the same in the consumer countries.
    yes they will. export restrains well stay the same and like i said even though it's technically illegal at the moment to grow weed and turn the coca plant into cocaine it's hardly governed at all within colombia so a law change will hardly change production. getting it out of the county and into the stats and europe will always be the tricky part until they themselves legalise the drugs. which they should.
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    03 Oct '10 20:35
    Originally posted by trev33
    yes they will. export restrains well stay the same and like i said even though it's technically illegal at the moment to grow weed and turn the coca plant into cocaine it's hardly governed at all within colombia so a law change will hardly change production. getting it out of the county and into the stats and europe will always be the tricky part until they themselves legalise the drugs. which they should.
    if you can catch X pct of the cocaine at one border and Y pct of the cocaine at another border, then all of a sudden drop any restrictions on the border for pct Y, that leaves that much more cocaine to flood through the border for pct X. the cocaine captured at that border is going to go up, but a lot more cocaine is going to get thru, and the price is going to drop.
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    03 Oct '10 20:36
    don't expect the US and UK to increase pct X much by increasing enforcement efforts in the event of a drop of pct Y to zero, even if they make the attempt to do so.
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    03 Oct '10 20:41
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    if you can catch X pct of the cocaine at one border and Y pct of the cocaine at another border, then all of a sudden drop any restrictions on the border for pct Y, that leaves that much more cocaine to flood through the border for pct X. the cocaine captured at that border is going to go up, but a lot more cocaine is going to get thru, and the price is going to drop.
    when do you ever hear of the colombian government blocking a cocaine shipment? i never have. prices will stay the same, even if more does get through do you think dealers will bring the price down? i doubt it.
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    04 Oct '10 03:34
    i have heard of it; maybe i read the news more often or we get more s. american news.

    dealers don't control the price so much. ask the economics guys. look at iran-contra.

    http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/colombia-drugs.htm

    =>

    http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/drugs/cache.htm

    The Miami Herald
    Fri, Sep. 02, 2005

    4-ton cocaine cache seized in Bogotá

    Authorities in Colombian made one of their biggest cocaine busts to date, uncovering 3.9 tons in a former diaper warehouse.
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