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@vivify saidI am perfectly happy to be an obstacle to it, and acceptable dress in the workplace is only one (and the least) concern. The far more disturbing aspects of transgender acceptance are the aggressive demands of mentally ill individuals and virtue signalers such as yourself that we all change our language and pretend that something untrue is true. It leads to real world harm such as women injured by men masquerading in their sports, and the mutilation of children by evil "doctors" that results in lifelong harm and often suicide. I'll not be shamed into accepting it. Nope.
Right. But you then went on to make broader points about what is and isn't a woman and dressing according to gender.
All I'm saying is that in this day and age it's also becoming more and more acceptable to be trans. If your concern is "acceptability" then the only hinderance to that are people like yourself.
These same conversations were had about women in the wor ...[text shortened]... e arguments based in traditionalism like you did. Looking back, none of those arguments were valid.
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@sh76 said"Social convention" once saw gays as aberrations unfit for society, until government intervention. Women were seen as unfit for the workplace until laws banning such discrimination were passed.
Yeah; but it's set by social convention, not by government fiat.
Government stepping in to overrule social convention is nothing new, and often quite necessary; see segregation, for example.
@Sleepyguy saidThere you go making those broader points again. Weren't you the one who just said "this is a question about work place hiring decisions"?
I am perfectly happy to be an obstacle to it, and acceptable dress in the workplace is only one (and the least) concern. The far more disturbing aspects of transgender acceptance are the aggressive demands of mentally ill individuals and virtue signalers such as yourself that we all change our language and pretend that something untrue is true. It leads to real world harm s ...[text shortened]... octors" that results in lifelong harm and often suicide. I'll not be shamed into accepting it. Nope.
If you want to argue transgenderism is something insidious, fine. Just don't pretend you have valid reasons for not hiring trans people; it's all your opinion, likely based in ancient religious beliefs.
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My problem with transgenderism is that it's not based on anything concrete.
Transwomen identify as such because they are more drawn to traditionally feminine stereotypes and behaviors. Transmen dislike traditional femininity.
Without traditional notions of gender would trans people even exist? Were there transgender cavemen?
I can't help but think that being trans is at least somewhat arbitrary. In that sense, I can see why people resist the trans movement; gender (not sex) is a social construct and therefore gender dysphoria can't be real. It can only exist once you understand gender roles.
In my opinion, transgenderism is stupid. But then again, so are many other things humans believe in, like religion. Ultimately, as long as no one his harmed, I side with "live and let live". If no one is hurt by being trans, why not.
@vivify saidGender dysphoria is real, but occurs in "is "0.005–0.014% for adult natal males and 0.002-0.003% for adult natal females"
My problem with transgenderism is that it's not based on anything concrete.
Transwomen identify as such because they are more drawn to traditionally feminine stereotypes and behaviors. Transmen dislike traditional femininity.
Without traditional notions of gender would trans people even exist? Were there transgender cavemen?
I can't help but think that being t ...[text shortened]... g as no one his harmed, I side with "live and let live". If no one is hurt by being trans, why not.
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2200534-overview
On the other hand, almost 2% of young adults in the US identify as trans (https://www.newsweek.com/people-who-identify-transgender-doubles-gen-z-1783562)
Obviously, the vast majority of people identifying as trans are possibly a little gender-confused (as many people probably get at one point or another in their lifetimes) and, rather than figuring out a way to get over it, they come out as trans because it's cool and because you get to climb lots of rungs on the victim ladder in one shot.
@vivify saidThe problem for me is that this is an extremely tiny portion of the population, even If you add in the gay and lesbian populace along with all the other letters. The problem is that the Democratic Party uses these tiny groups as a weapon along with mainstream media, and large companies to label and judge anyone who doesn’t agree with these alternative lifestyles or what the true issues and reasons are for them. Not to mention all the areas of our everyday living and that of our families being influenced by these groups. In my opinion when the liberal party is done with them and passing their agendas it will set these groups back very far.
My problem with transgenderism is that it's not based on anything concrete.
Transwomen identify as such because they are more drawn to traditionally feminine stereotypes and behaviors. Transmen dislike traditional femininity.
Without traditional notions of gender would trans people even exist? Were there transgender cavemen?
I can't help but think that being t ...[text shortened]... g as no one his harmed, I side with "live and let live". If no one is hurt by being trans, why not.
@sh76 saidDon't all trans people have gender dysphoria?
Gender dysphoria is real, but occurs in "is "0.005–0.014% for adult natal males and 0.002-0.003% for adult natal females"
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2200534-overview
On the other hand, almost 2% of young adults in the US identify as trans (https://www.newsweek.com/people-who-identify-transgender-doubles-gen-z-1783562)
Obviously, the vast majority of people i ...[text shortened]... trans because it's cool and because you get to climb lots of rungs on the victim ladder in one shot.
@sh76 saidThe question you should be asking is: why?
Gender dysphoria is real, but occurs in "is "0.005–0.014% for adult natal males and 0.002-0.003% for adult natal females"
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2200534-overview
On the other hand, almost 2% of young adults in the US identify as trans (https://www.newsweek.com/people-who-identify-transgender-doubles-gen-z-1783562)
Obviously, the vast majority of people i ...[text shortened]... trans because it's cool and because you get to climb lots of rungs on the victim ladder in one shot.
Why are more people now questioning their gender.
Perhaps there always was a lot more people than previously thought, but they didn’t dare admit it.
Perhaps it’s a tic toc trend? Peer pressure?
Or perhaps we can look to real research and see what it suggests.
And what it is suggesting is that true gender dysmorphia is measurable in the brain.
Now, tie a string around my balls, bounce me up and down and call me a yoyo, but doesn’t that mean that we can measure this gender dysmorphia and see how much of it is real and how much is influenced or obsessive?
Yes. Yes it does.
And that also means refraining from opinions until the said measurements have been documented and repeated in equal research.
Wouldn’t you agree?
@shavixmir said===tic toc trend? Peer pressure?===
The question you should be asking is: why?
Why are more people now questioning their gender.
Perhaps there always was a lot more people than previously thought, but they didn’t dare admit it.
Perhaps it’s a tic toc trend? Peer pressure?
Or perhaps we can look to real research and see what it suggests.
And what it is suggesting is that true gender dysmorphia is ...[text shortened]... il the said measurements have been documented and repeated in equal research.
Wouldn’t you agree?
Bingo!
===And that also means refraining from opinions until the said measurements have been documented and repeated in equal research.
Wouldn’t you agree?===
Not really. If a study comes out on something I'm interested in, I'll read it, but that it hasn't doesn't mean I won't have an opinion.
It seems self-evidence that today many people are becoming transgender when, in past generations, they would simply chalk up whatever they're going through to a phase or problem to be dealt with.
Peer pressure is exactly right, but it's also a shortcut to the front of the victim ladder.
If you're a white man, you're the oppressor and practically evil in a woke world. Become transgender and you've jumped all other white people and Asians, most cis black men and you're neck and neck with straight black women.
All of a sudden you're oppressed rather than the oppressor and the downtrodden rather than the privileged.
It's impossible to believe that doesn't at least partially explain the manifold increase.
@sh76 saidDoes someone with bipolar disorder just "think" they are manic/depressed?
No; they just think they do.
I mean - yes, they do. That's the whole point, @sh76.
Do you have anyone in your family with mental illness? You know it when you experience it first hand. It is not a TikTok fad.
The problem with prevalence studies is eliminating the biases and getting a truly representative sample. One of the taglines from the House MD series was "Everybody lies" and it is unfortunately much more accurate than one would hope.
I've been acquainted with only one trans who I assume was gender dysphoric, but I do know a couple gay people. I think it is much better that all of them get to just be themselves. It doesn't harm anything.
@spruce112358 saidAre you saying transgenderism is mental illness?
Does someone with bipolar disorder just "think" they are manic/depressed?
I mean - yes, they do. That's the whole point, @sh76.
Do you have anyone in your family with mental illness? You know it when you experience it first hand. It is not a TikTok fad.
The problem with prevalence studies is eliminating the biases and getting a truly representative sample. One o ...[text shortened]... ple. I think it is much better that all of them get to just be themselves. It doesn't harm anything.
@sh76 saidI think in some cases, transgender-"ism" could be a response to or way of dealing with feelings of gender dysphoria.
Are you saying transgenderism is mental illness?
"Gender dysphoria is the feeling of discomfort or distress that might occur in people whose gender identity differs from their sex assigned at birth or sex-related physical characteristics. Transgender and gender-diverse people might experience gender dysphoria at some point in their lives."