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    25 Mar '17 11:17
    The recent failure of the GOP health care bill sold by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan highlights the undeniable fact that the GOP leadership is an abject failure.

    In fact, the GOP has no leadership, no direction, a President that is shot down at every stroke of the pen and ridiculed 24/7.

    What then is the future of the GOP? Should there even be a GOP? Is everyone comfortable with a one party system?
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    25 Mar '17 12:251 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    The recent failure of the GOP health care bill sold by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan highlights the undeniable fact that the GOP leadership is an abject failure.

    In fact, the GOP has no leadership, no direction, a President that is shot down at every stroke of the pen and ridiculed 24/7.

    What then is the future of the GOP? Should there even be a GOP? Is everyone comfortable with a one party system?
    As long as they're not beholden to the greed of Corporate America, nor have any supposed Representatives of the People in their employ, and actually honor the Constitution and specifically the promises made to the People in the Preamble. Include these restrictions on the Supreme Court and the Executive Branch, and I'm in.

    And yeah, Mitch, Paul and Donald can all get a job in a burger joint somewhere for all I care. They're obviously unsuited for the job of Representing the People.
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    25 Mar '17 12:261 edit
    The leadership should step down in shame, but they won't.

    They have had how long to get ready for this?

    I honestly think they sat back thinking and hoping they would lose the White House so they would not have to worry about it.
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    25 Mar '17 13:25
    Originally posted by whodey
    The recent failure of the GOP health care bill sold by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan highlights the undeniable fact that the GOP leadership is an abject failure.

    In fact, the GOP has no leadership, no direction, a President that is shot down at every stroke of the pen and ridiculed 24/7.

    What then is the future of the GOP? Should there even be a GOP? Is everyone comfortable with a one party system?
    The people who got Trump elected are not the people who elected the Republican leadership.

    I don't know why Trump jumps in to bed with those guys since establishment supporters would have elected Bush.

    The people who got Trump elected alao elected the conservatuves who stopped establishmentcare.
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    25 Mar '17 13:27
    Originally posted by whodey
    The leadership should step down in shame, but they won't.

    They have had how long to get ready for this?

    I honestly think they sat back thinking and hoping they would lose the White House so they would not have to worry about it.
    Did Pelosi step down? Why should they? As long as they have the votes to stay in power they will.
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    25 Mar '17 14:21
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Did Pelosi step down? Why should they? As long as they have the votes to stay in power they will.
    Yet another reason to support term limits and the only way to get that done is through the Article V movement.
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    25 Mar '17 18:231 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    The recent failure of the GOP health care bill sold by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan highlights the undeniable fact that the GOP leadership is an abject failure.

    In fact, the GOP has no leadership, no direction, a President that is shot down at every stroke of the pen and ridiculed 24/7.

    What then is the future of the GOP? Should there even be a GOP? Is everyone comfortable with a one party system?
    You guys need to take time to analyze yourselves. Where the GOP is now didn't just happen overnight. Conservatives need to analyze why a foul-mouthed, short-tempered narcissist so utterly dominated Republican polls and primaries.

    You also need to look at the fact that Republicans did a 180 spin from attacking Trump as making a mockery of the election,to lauding him and throwing all their support behind him. Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruiz, Ben Carson, etc., etc., all had nothing but derisive things to say about him. They changed thier tune once it was obvious he'd be the GOP front-runner. Conservatives need to admit they've been insincere hypocrites regarding Trump: they hated him until they realized he could become president.

    You also need to reflect on why there have been so few Republican pundits criticizing Trump and the GOP. Their was no outrage from conservatives when Republicans voted to remove the Office of Congressional Ethics, or barely (if any) complaints about all the embarrassing, imbecilic things Trump has said (that would've would thrown fits over Obama doing). Conservative (especially on this site) weren't calling Trump out for his monumental stupidity, because it would've meant criticizing your own side.

    These are things you need to reflect on. Focus on *how* you got here, not just the current situation of the GOP being a failure.. Work to eliminate the wrong-doing that lead you to this point; don't simply concoct plans to continue your wrongdoing in ways you can get away with.
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    25 Mar '17 21:14
    Originally posted by vivify
    You guys need to take time to analyze yourselves. Where the GOP is now didn't just happen overnight. Conservatives need to analyze why a foul-mouthed, short-tempered narcissist so utterly dominated Republican polls and primaries.

    You also need to look at the fact that Republicans did a 180 spin from attacking Trump as making a mockery of the election,t ...[text shortened]... his point; don't simply concoct plans to continue your wrongdoing in ways you can get away with.
    Trump isn't the problem.

    The establishment people he is in bed with who are the problem.
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    25 Mar '17 23:33
    Originally posted by vivify to Whodey
    You guys need to take time to analyze yourselves. Where the GOP is now didn't just happen overnight. Conservatives need to analyze why a foul-mouthed, short-tempered narcissist so utterly dominated Republican polls and primaries.

    You also need to look at the fact that Republicans did a 180 spin from attacking Trump as making a mockery of the ...[text shortened]... his point; don't simply concoct plans to continue your wrongdoing in ways you can get away with.
    "Conservative (especially on this site) weren't calling Trump out for his monumental stupidity,
    because it would've meant criticizing your own side."
    --Vivify

    Does Vivify expect the Republican Congress to act as an *opposition party* to the Republican President?
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    26 Mar '17 00:101 edit
    The GOP became a destination for those who only wanted to unite to say no to Obama. Trump climbed on board. Now they have to govern in unity, but what (or who) united them is gone. So their differences are now front and center.
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    26 Mar '17 07:01
    Originally posted by whodey
    The leadership should step down in shame, but they won't.
    And the people that voted them in (and the people that tirelessly supported them like whodey for example) should hang their heads in shame, but they wont.
    The reality is that the US system is not based on hoping that politicians will step down when they aren't doing their jobs. Its based on elections whereby people should not put into office useless people and should vote them out if they do manage to get in.
    But come next election, I guarantee you will still be supporting them and bitching about Obama.
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    26 Mar '17 07:581 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    You guys need to take time to analyze yourselves. Where the GOP is now didn't just happen overnight. Conservatives need to analyze why a foul-mouthed, short-tempered narcissist so utterly dominated Republican polls and primaries.

    You also need to look at the fact that Republicans did a 180 spin from attacking Trump as making a mockery of the election,t ...[text shortened]... his point; don't simply concoct plans to continue your wrongdoing in ways you can get away with.
    Good post.

    The problem is obviously that the core republican supporter base would have voted for Hitler if they thought that could undermine Obama care and Clinton.
    A very warped view of the world: voting based on hate and fear. They never lead to anything constructive.

    Just listen to the hate of Obama care. You'd think it was torturing babies or something. Completely out of proportion.
    Obviously insurance executives shouldn't like it, but every day common folk: you either agree with healthcare or you don't... it's a small thing which helps some people... not the end of the universe.
    But listen to the howling mobs. Complete madness.
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    26 Mar '17 08:071 edit
    Originally posted by shavixmir


    you either agree with healthcare or you don't....
    Bad post.

    A particularly stupid and antagonistic way to frame your argument.

    Oh, it's just shav,

    Keep rolling with the stupid shav, don't ever change.
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    26 Mar '17 08:23
    Originally posted by whodey
    The recent failure of the GOP health care bill sold by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan highlights the undeniable fact that the GOP leadership is an abject failure.

    In fact, the GOP has no leadership, no direction, a President that is shot down at every stroke of the pen and ridiculed 24/7.

    What then is the future of the GOP? Should there even be a GOP? Is everyone comfortable with a one party system?
    You got exactly what you voted for, whodey.
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    26 Mar '17 12:20
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Bad post.

    A particularly stupid and antagonistic way to frame your argument.

    Oh, it's just shav,

    Keep rolling with the stupid shav, don't ever change.
    You cherry-picked a statement to quote out of cctontext and ignore the actual substance of his post. That's childish.
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