@Metal-Brain saidIs he on the ballot?
Where is your praise for Andrew Jackson?
The thread compares two living presidents with completely different records on fiscal responsibility, currently competing for your vote. So of course it makes sense to bring up other dead presidents and make believe you add to the conversation.
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@wildgrass saidIt doesn't matter if he is on the ballot. He is the only POTUS to eliminate the national debt. He deserves your praise if you really respect fiscal responsibility.
Is he on the ballot?
The thread compares two living presidents with completely different records on fiscal responsibility, currently competing for your vote. So of course it makes sense to bring up other dead presidents and make believe you add to the conversation.
Will you praise Andrew Jackson? He was a democrat.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidTHANKYOU, great treatise. I will give you one of those little queer thumb ups.
why are you repeating what a corrupt media says? have you not caught on yet?
and btw...our pockets are full, plenty of gas in the car and a bountiful table full of food.
"In my humble opinion, another worthwhile approach is to consider how much the presidents spent and accrued taxpayer money during their own presidencies.
Rather than focusing on overall debt ...[text shortened]... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3059708/even-covid-trump-spent-trillions-less-than-biden/
Not one of these libs will finish your post, becuae it pises them off when you kick butt.
It is a better way of saying waht I said above, that here are numbers everywhere. Did you see whre there was no acknowledgement that the tuition cost EACH txpayer $3200?
This is not really off the subject......Someone like McHill will say,'well, that is a lot less than if they were paying $5500!!!! THAT is what we are dealing with, and we don't even need Suan when we have Wildgrass covering that flank!!!!!~
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@wildgrass
Well, the detail isn't *that* good. what the heck is a 10-year debt approval?
Neither of them can be in the office that long. Very confusing.
@Earl-of-Trumps saidSure you can quibble with the time but politicians should be held responsible for big spending programs that go on for years but then they leave office 4 years later to blame the next guy and make him clean up the mess.
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Well, the detail isn't *that* good. what the heck is a 10-year debt approval?
Neither of them can be in the office that long. Very confusing.
One example highlighted in the analysis was Obamacare. Trump wanted to repeal it, which, great, but that never happened. What he did do was remove the part that funded the program, increasing debt by hundreds of billions.
That's irresponsible or potentially incompetent. If you want to shrink government, cut the program. Then you can go after the funding. He saddled a generation with debt and increased government.
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@Metal-Brain saidYes, I praise Andrew. Maybe he and I could have a beer sometime.
It doesn't matter if he is on the ballot. He is the only POTUS to eliminate the national debt. He deserves your praise if you really respect fiscal responsibility.
Will you praise Andrew Jackson? He was a democrat.
I don't think you understand the point of the thread.
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I think this is what you are looking for, Wildgrass.
"How much debt did President Biden add?
While President Trump added a shocking amount of debt – especially given the standard Republican rhetoric about fiscal responsibility – President Biden appears no better, especially given his administration has another 6 months to increase the burden.
Indeed, the latest full-year data covering 2023 shows that the public debt has rocketed to $34 trillion, meaning that the current White House has added as much burden in three years as the previous one did in four.
https://finbold.com/biden-vs-trump-which-president-put-the-u-s-in-more-debt/
@wildgrass saidYou are trying to make Biden look more fiscally responsible than Trump, but Biden is spending a lot too. The difference is that Biden's spending is from money created from nothing.
Yes, I praise Andrew. Maybe he and I could have a beer sometime.
I don't think you understand the point of the thread.
You are essentially arguing that counterfeiters do not spend the money they create. They spend it and cause inflation and that is what Biden did too. If Trump did that instead of using income tax money would that make him more fiscally responsible?
Also, Biden's term is not over yet. You are using incomplete data. You need to compare terms that are completed. And what about two term presidents compared to one term presidents? A one term POTUS should have half the debt of a two term POTUS, right?
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@Metal-Brain saidI am not trying to do that at all. Of course Biden is bad and spending way too much. You are way over complicating.
You are trying to make Biden look more fiscally responsible than Trump, but Biden is spending a lot too. The difference is that Biden's spending is from money created from nothing.
You are essentially arguing that counterfeiters do not spend the money they create. They spend it and cause inflation and that is what Biden did too. If Trump did that instead of using income tax money would that make him more fiscally responsible?
Presidents sign spending bills with their own pens that last decades. Compared to Trump, Biden's pen added less than half to US debt. This wasn't an argument it was fact.
Now what drives you as a voter? Do you care? Are you gonna check the trump box knowing he over spends double?
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@wildgrass saidThat is exactly what you are trying to do. Biden has not completed his first term yet. Are you compensating for the debt he will add from now until the end of his first term? If not you can see the problem.
I am not trying to do that at all. Of course Biden is bad and spending way too much. You are way over complicating.
Presidents sign spending bills with their own pens that last decades. Compared to Trump, Biden's pen added less than half to US debt. This wasn't an argument it was fact.
Now what drives you as a voter? Do you care? Are you gonna check the trump box knowing he over spends double?
I never voted for Trump and I never will. I am not a partisan creature like you are.
This has little to do with him. What is important is that you count how much Biden spends, not how much debt he racks up. He is taxing us with inflation to pay for his spending. That spending is not on the debt tally.
You MUST count spending, not debt alone. Until you do you have no evidence Trump was spending more.
@Metal-Brain saidRegarding Bidens spending in the next 6 months, CRFB can adjust their numbers if needed. It doesn't look like anything else is coming though, unless they want to try again on immigration. Election year and all.
That is exactly what you are trying to do. Biden has not completed his first term yet. Are you compensating for the debt he will add from now until the end of his first term? If not you can see the problem.
I never voted for Trump and I never will. I am not a partisan creature like you are.
This has little to do with him. What is important is that you count how much ...[text shortened]...
You MUST count spending, not debt alone. Until you do you have no evidence Trump was spending more.
Regarding spending vs. debt, I can see both sides. But responsible governance means paying for your projects. Obamacare included a large tax increase to pay for it, then trump comes along and repeals the tax without repealing the law. Come on now, that's dumb. He is the type of politician who only wants to eat cake.
You can have a look at the CRFB numbers and report back to us on spending.
I don't like spending but debt is worse. Pay for what you buy.
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@wildgrass saidThere you go off again. Sonhouse's schtick is to write about Tariffs, for god sakes.
I know, I know, the student loans. Terrible .
I assure you the cost of the loan debt was included in this comparative analysis.. trump still overspends double what Biden has done at the end of the day.
Both numbers are terrible. Just a suck wave of debt heaved on our children.
Anyway, the tuition loans, paid by us, are in the $600B+ range. Cash money, don't you know?
So what is your changed-subject? Comparative analysis and Trump, as near as I can tell. The children? Yeah, the billions mispent, never to return, will affect our children. But we all know that. So, what IS your new subject? Sonhouse is doing tariffs. How does he know so much abut tariffs? No one really wants any tariff, we just want free trade. But with all of our regulations, we find it difficult to compete with Chinee. Oops, thought I was speaking with Sonhouse.
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@shavixmir saidthis is nothing more than liberal democrats trying to boost bidens failed economy.
Good grief! That man givs you facts and figures. And just look at you all twist and turn and squirm, even bringing up dead presidents.
Anything, just as long as you don’t need to face the truth.
they are hoping many are too stupid to see their empty pockets and credit card debt…sadly many will believe them.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidThis is about Biden administration contributing less than half to debt compared to Trump.
this is nothing more than liberal democrats trying to boost bidens failed economy.
they are hoping many are too stupid to see their empty pockets and credit card debt…sadly many will believe them.