Originally posted by CalJustwow boy, you are a sooky! Get reals all i can say boysy. Facts - 50% girls lose their virginity before 16 (yes i have helped that stat along by 5) people are people and there is no magic age when girls/boys can do it or feel like doin it. You sure sound like a dickhead boysy,you got your ex-PRESIDENT Clinton running amok raping she dogs like steerer all over the place, youll accept his behaviour but not some regular fellas story? Elvis Presley has it off with a 14yr old (Priscilla), keeps her penned up acting adult (with permission of herparents!), attending all the drug parties, orgies and then marries her at 16. Whos that singer that married his 13 yr old cousin too?
This is a sad day for me to have to write that I am reconsidering my RHP
membership. The words "Red Hot Pawn" used to be a clever play on words, now you might as well write "Porn" openly and drop the joke.
When I joined about a year ago, I was mostly attracted to the Debates Forum. There were some good discussions going on.
One of the best at the ...[text shortened]... east the
minimum standards that civilized society supports and encourages.
In sadness,
CJ
I havent raped anyone? how did that get into the equation?, i just live in a family where we're truthful about our decendants (no secrets anymore) and i know what happens in the real world.
So my old man was living with 3 women at the same time - he was straitup! so? Who hasn't got a parent who was sneaking behind their partner while they were dishonestly having it off with someone else?my father wasn't like that.
The nut cases are the ones who say people shouldn't have sex til theyre 16, they havent had a life and theyre still tugging themselves at 40! Im 18 now and rooting about as natural and guilt free as it can get, no hangups at all, doesnt mean i go with kids, but when i was a kid i did with girls my own age.
Originally posted by silver fernGive us a break! With a handle like silver fern there's no way I'm going to be convinced that you like girls.
wow boy, you are a sooky! Get reals all i can say boysy. Facts - 50% girls lose their virginity before 16 (yes i have helped that stat along by 5) people are people and there is no magic age when girls/boys can do it or feel like doin it. You sure sound like a dickhead boysy,you got your ex-PRESIDENT Clinton running amok raping she dogs like steerer all ...[text shortened]... no hangups at all, doesnt mean i go with kids, but when i was a kid i did with girls my own age.
Originally posted by XanthosNZI agree with Delmer.
Hey how about banning the ones that cause trouble rather than getting rid of the lot of us because of a couple of bad apples?
Actually, his point (which I support strongly) is that visitors to the site have the tremendous benefit of playing chess for free. The idea is that it is a trial period, hoping you will join. By all means let visitors read the forums, and see if they like it. However, POSTING in the forums should be reserved for members.
Delmer's point has been raised many times before. It has nothing to do with "a couple of bad apples." Only that over members there is some modicum of control. (Someone who has paid will take being banned from the site less lightly than a visitor, who can re-join immediately under another name!)
In peace
CJ
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Originally posted by silver fernDear Silver Fern,
The nut cases are the ones who say people shouldn't have sex til theyre 16, they havent had a life and theyre still tugging themselves at 40! Im 18 now and rooting about as natural and guilt free as it can get, no hangups at all, doe ...[text shortened]... i go with kids, but when i was a kid i did with girls my own age.
As you may have read, I have received some additional information about you since I started this thread.
It is clear that you have not enjoyed much nurture as a child, and even less of a positive example from your father. That is extremely sad and I am truly sorry for you. I cannot blame you for your viewpoints, just as much as I cannot blame a thorn tree for growing thorns.
However, you do not have to remain this way. I seriously urge you to talk to a counsellor and get some help.
Just a few words about the "real world" you keep mentioning. If you have eyes to see, you will notice that there is not ONE real world. The REAL world is a complex make-up of the full spectrum of humanity, from the rapists, child molesters and murderers, to the Mother Theresas. There are flowers, birds, trees and sunshine in the immediate vicinity of slime, mud, corruption and filth. Both ARE the REAL world! But YOU can chose to focus on (and be a part of) the one or the other!!
You are now 18 and sexually old. I can imagine that sex has become a dull routine for you. I seriously question whether you will ever be able to create, with mutual excitement and constant learning, a nourishing and rewarding monogamous relationship, which is humankind's greatest pleasure.
Your only two options (that you mention and seem to know about) are either open promiscuity, or hidden promiscuity! There ARE other options, and, again, I seriously urge you to broaden your horizon.
Get some help.
In peace
CJ
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Originally posted by CalJustI have to disagree totally.
I agree with Delmer.
Actually, his point (which I support strongly) is that visitors to the site have the tremendous benefit of playing chess for free. The idea is that it is a trial period, hoping you will join. By all means let visitor ...[text shortened]... who can re-join immediately under another name!)
In peace
CJ
Not that I actually like discussing the mechanics of paedofilia or whatever, but they are current subjects in the news etc.
My main argument would have to be that I, myself, have perpetrated this kind of post. For instance the shaving of one's balls article I wrote.
Would you have me banned for that?
I hardly think that would be a reasonable response to something which was clearly meant as leisurely stroll through embarrassment.
Which posts would you have banned? Everything that you found off-beat? Why not things which I find off-beat or maybe Br. Edwin himself finds off-beat?
How are you supposed to judge someone's intent, when clearly the level of English written here is to an international standard, rather than an English speaking standard (so humour, intent and nuances can be lost, or wrongly portrayed)?
I find it a scary thought that we would judge a person or one's posts to be unsavoury to the extent of banning someone over them.
Here's what I would propose:
1. Don't read posts by people you don't want to read.
2. PM a person if you find something absolutely intolerable. Discuss it with him/her in private and see if you are both talking about the same thing.
3. Report a post if you consistently can't find agreement with the poster.
4. The administrators can then communicate with the said person. And take action if they agree that the said person is continually at odds with the TOS.
See? Far more constructive!
Again, I can understand you being offended by certain posts, but I bet ten to a penny that they are different posts than the posts which offend me!
EDIT: And I think that having people who visit the site posting messages will probably increase the chances of having them stay and become members.
Originally posted by shavixmir
My main argument would have to be that I, myself, have perpetrated this kind of post. For instance the shaving of one's balls article I wrote.
Would you have me banned for that?
Yes, I have found many of your posts totally repulsive. But no, I would not want you banned for that. As you said, I just don't read them.
However, I felt that silver fern stepped across the line. It was the first time ever that I pulled an "Alert". I do not do it lightly.
Which posts would you have banned? Everything that you found off-beat? Why not things which I find off-beat or maybe Br. Edwin himself finds off-beat?
I guess there is a fine line. I cannot define it. I suppose it is set by the general acceptance of the majority. As far as I can tell, you and Br Edwin and others are currently in the minority. As soon as this is reversed and this becomes a porn site, is when I get off.
How are you supposed to judge someone's intent, when clearly the level of English written here is to an international standard, rather than an English speaking standard (so humour, intent and nuances can be lost, or wrongly portrayed)?
Clearly, what we are talking about here has nothing whatsoever to do with language. I sometimes find grammar and spelling mistakes funny, even hilarious, but never ever the reason for an Alert or even rebuke.
On the whole your detailed suggestions make sense, and I actually agree with them. Banning should be an absolutely last resort, and then only after some warnings.
As far as postings by non-members is concerned, it would be interesting from a business development point of view to see how many visitors that post regularly actually become members, and after how long a time.
Again, I can understand you being offended by certain posts, but I bet ten to a penny that they are different posts than the posts which offend me!
Most assurely so! I think what we are talking about is really where does the centre of gravity lie in RHP, where do the managers want to position it on the overcrowded Internet. And finally, what to do with the extremities - tolerance or censure, and if so, when.
In peace
CJ
Originally posted by kcamsThere is an Alert button if people find something offensive then they should use it. I think people feel shy about using it as they think people might accuse them of being prudish, but if something is offensive to you it's probably offensive to others and if enough people Alert it then it will be pulled.
the great and terrible thing about the internet is that people can say anything they want with a sense of impunity.
I, being an adult and aware of the horrors of the world accept that there are those who will disagree with me about the really important things in the world, like capialism being a bad thing, all faiths being outdated and detremental to progre ...[text shortened]... ing to an extreme but facism starts with the first civil liberty that is given up, not the last.
Originally posted by CalJustCan I just ask why are you constantly refering to this becoming a "porn" site?
[b]My main argument would have to be that I, myself, have perpetrated this kind of post. For instance the shaving of one's balls article I wrote.
Would you have me banned for that?
Yes, I have found many of your posts totally repulsive. But no, I would not want you banned for that. As you said, I just don't read them.
However, I felt that sil ...[text shortened]... lly, what to do with the extremities - tolerance or censure, and if so, when.
In peace
CJ[/b]
Thats like my teacher showing a english flag and me calling her a neo-nazi.
Originally posted by shavixmirThe price of Red Hot Pawn is already going up. It's a business. Why should those of us who pay be required to subsidize those who do not care enough about the site to pay? Let a person test the site with a few free games. After all, it is a chess site. Let them look in on the forums. Maybe they'll get interested enough to subscribe. But they should pay before being allowed to post, if for no other reason than that it forces them to take some responsibiity for what they say. To give non-paying guests free access to posting in the forums is a slap in the face to subscribers.
I have to disagree totally.
Not that I actually like discussing the mechanics of paedofilia or whatever, but they are current subjects in the news etc.
My main argument would have to be that I, myself, have perpetrated this kind of post. For instance the shaving of one's balls article I wrote.
Would you have me banned for that?
I hardly thin ...[text shortened]... ite posting messages will probably increase the chances of having them stay and become members.