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Are y'all for real? Do not Ben and Jerry know that it is all about survival of the fittest? Tribes of people have been conquering each other for 10,000 years. Should that have stopped when europeans arrived on our eastern shores? Today, the indians would still be living off the land, all 3.8 million square milkes. Their development would be somewheree behind that of North Africa.
@averagejoe1 saidWhy do you think that?
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Are y'all for real? Do not Ben and Jerry know that it is all about survival of the fittest? Tribes of people have been conquering each other for 10,000 years. Should that have stopped when europeans arrived on our eastern shores? Today, ...[text shortened]... all 3.8 million square milkes. Their development would be somewheree behind that of North Africa.
@shavixmir saidjust an opinion,... could there be skyscrapers, youtube, and a Ben and Jerry Ice Cream shop on the not-corners??
Why do you think that?
@averagejoe1 saidThere’s all that and more in various African countries, Asia, etc.
just an opinion,... could there be skyscrapers, youtube, and a Ben and Jerry Ice Cream shop on the not-corners??
Globalisation was happening before the Americans ethnically cleansed the Indians. So, there’s every chance they would have swapped horses for electric cars and pipes for antibiotics in a healthcare system.
Maybe lived in a more European like civilisation with less gun crime? Who’s to say?
The fact that you think your material world is the best thing since sliced bread, says a lot about you.
@AverageJoe1
So you justify the takeover of America by what you view as the first nation folks are so far behind, what, culturally, technologically, I assume.
Not taking into account first nations have been here for near 20 THOUSAND years and lived with the land. And we have been here, what, 400 odd years now and the place is run into the ground.
Is that how you chart superiority?
@averagejoe1 saidThat is a very different question than what you originally asked.
Whatever, but what do Ben and Jerry think should have happened in the 1600s regarding this matter?
Please, an interesting discussion, no emotion or insults or ad hominems would be appropriate.
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@averagejoe1 saidWhy would anyone care what some type 2 peddling corporation thinks?
Whatever, but what do Ben and Jerry think should have happened in the 1600s regarding this matter?
Please, an interesting discussion, no emotion or insults or ad hominems would be appropriate.
Shav is correct we didn’t have to dominate and destroy indigenous communities across the globe in order to create the 21st century, it would’ve happened with or without colonialism.
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@averagejoe1 saidFor sure without Imperialism there would be very little development in North America. But there is an easy way to figure out what is best. Ask yourself where would you like to live, if you had a choice. That answers all questions. How many choose
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Are y'all for real? Do not Ben and Jerry know that it is all about survival of the fittest? Tribes of people have been conquering each other for 10,000 years. Should that have stopped when europeans arrived on our eastern shores? Today, ...[text shortened]... all 3.8 million square milkes. Their development would be somewheree behind that of North Africa.
- Native Indian Reservation
- A country in Mid East
- An average country in Africa
- India
- China
- Russia
- North Korea
- Cuba
I choose an island in the Caribbean. I had other options. People have different tastes in lifestyle. Some like cutting edge development, some llke indigenous populations living meagre lifestyles. Some like a mixture. Nothing is wrong with any. In my case we are backward and crime ridden but the upside is that there are almost no rules to follow, and I live on a beach.
@rajk999 saidI could certainly live in India or Egypt. Been extensively to both places. Great times.
For sure without Imperialism there would be very little development in North America. But there is an easy way to figure out what is best. Ask yourself where would you like to live, if you had a choice. That answers all questions. How many choose
- Native Indian Reservation
- A country in Mid East
- An average country in Africa
- India
- China
- Russia
- Nor ...[text shortened]... and crime ridden but the upside is that there are almost no rules to follow, and I live on a beach.
I’ve lived in Israel. So, that one too.
I could also, easily, live in Marocco, South Africa or anywhere in a desert. I love deserts, so that at least includes parts of China.
I could probably live in China or Cuba without too much adjustment needed.
Don’t really know what you’re getting at, here.
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@rajk999 saidThe problem with your list is your not factoring in the effects of European colonisation and US westward expansion which resulted in the reservations being created.
For sure without Imperialism there would be very little development in North America. But there is an easy way to figure out what is best. Ask yourself where would you like to live, if you had a choice. That answers all questions. How many choose
- Native Indian Reservation
- A country in Mid East
- An average country in Africa
- India
- China
- Russia
- Nor ...[text shortened]... and crime ridden but the upside is that there are almost no rules to follow, and I live on a beach.
It’s a bit like pointing to the Jews of Europe during the holocaust and judging THEIR culture rather than the German culture.
@shavixmir saidI'm pointing out that one way to determine how good a place is to live is by public opinion. The US, Canada and similar countries is still in high demand by immigrants.
I could certainly live in India or Egypt. Been extensively to both places. Great times.
I’ve lived in Israel. So, that one too.
I could also, easily, live in Marocco, South Africa or anywhere in a desert. I love deserts, so that at least includes parts of China.
I could probably live in China or Cuba without too much adjustment needed.
Don’t really know what you’re getting at, here.
Although some of your options are good they are unusual and people generally move out of some countries you find to be good to settle in.
@kevcvs57 saidI view colonization as a necessary evil.
The problem with your list is your not factoring in the effects of European colonisation and US westward expansion which resulted in the reservations being created.
It’s a bit like pointing to the Jews of Europe during the holocaust and judging THEIR culture rather than the German culture.
@averagejoe1 saidhttps://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-10-10/after-nearly-200-years-the-tongva-community-has-land-in-los-angeles-county
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Are y'all for real? Do not Ben and Jerry know that it is all about survival of the fittest? Tribes of people have been conquering each other for 10,000 years. Should that have stopped when europeans arrived on our eastern shores? Today, ...[text shortened]... all 3.8 million square milkes. Their development would be somewheree behind that of North Africa.
@averagejoe1 saidThe only reason Europeans were able to conquer the native Americans so easily is because European diseases killed off 90% of their population. Hardly evidence of superiority.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ben-jerrys-independence-day-message-calls-stolen-indigenous-land-returned-native-americans
Are y'all for real? Do not Ben and Jerry know that it is all about survival of the fittest? Tribes of people have been conquering each other for 10,000 years. Should that have stopped when europeans arrived on our eastern shores? Today, ...[text shortened]... all 3.8 million square milkes. Their development would be somewheree behind that of North Africa.