@AThousandYoung saidI'm on Musk's side. The more talented people we can get to work here, the better.
Which side are you on?
Incidentally, internal policy disagreements are good. We don't need everyone in the party to have the same opinions on everything.
@Metal-Brain saidCorrect. I will not be surprised if deep red states soon insist that Creationism be given equal time with evolution. Today's Republican Party wants the U.S. to be a Christian theocracy. Public education will be based on the Bible. Our STEM curriculums are weak. Now they will be worse.
Are you claiming we don't have enough talented people here in the USA?
@Phranny saidI have no doubt Christian nationalists want to totally defeat evolution, they would want to call it devils work, we did not come from apes and the like. Of course they will never actually get to that point, maybe in a few ultrared states but that would be about it.
Correct. I will not be surprised if deep red states soon insist that Creationism be given equal time with evolution. Today's Republican Party wants the U.S. to be a Christian theocracy. Public education will be based on the Bible. Our STEM curriculums are weak. Now they will be worse.
@sonhouse saidThey are already trying to bring down the separation of Church and State, with Louisiana posting the Ten Commandments in every school classroom.
I have no doubt Christian nationalists want to totally defeat evolution, they would want to call it devils work, we did not come from apes and the like. Of course they will never actually get to that point, maybe in a few ultrared states but that would be about it.
And they're pushing teaching Creationism in Texas.
@Metal-Brain saidWe elected Trump twice now, what does that tell you?
Are you claiming we don't have enough talented people here in the USA?
@Suzianne saidWhen I was going to First Lutheran school K to 8 that stuff was jammed down our throats every day. I know I wasn't buying any of it and it was clear the other kids in class were secretly rolling their eyes too. I don't think that kind of religious propaganda will be as effective as they hope it will be.
They are already trying to bring down the separation of Church and State, with Louisiana posting the Ten Commandments in every school classroom.
And they're pushing teaching Creationism in Texas.
@sonhouse saidAnd where was this (what state)?
When I was going to First Lutheran school K to 8 that stuff was jammed down our throats every day. I know I wasn't buying any of it and it was clear the other kids in class were secretly rolling their eyes too. I don't think that kind of religious propaganda will be as effective as they hope it will be.
But, of course, since it was a Lutheran school, it could have been any state, even a blue one. Religious schools can be expected to teach from a Bible viewpoint. This is why you don't send your kid to a religious school. I'm very sorry that happened to you.
@Suzianne saidCalifornia. El monte in LA county. I think the church and school have been torn down, I took a drive back in the day to try to find it and it looks like it doesn't exist any more.
And where was this (what state)?
But, of course, since it was a Lutheran school, it could have been any state, even a blue one. Religious schools can be expected to teach from a Bible viewpoint. This is why you don't send your kid to a religious school. I'm very sorry that happened to you.
It wasn't all bad, the actual education part was really good, like I got basically a HS education by the 8th grade.
But we did have a principal who was racist, elitist and anti science and he also doubled as our 8th grade teacher. He did get kicked out because he got unhinged and swore at us kids. The uppers didn't take kindly to that.
I could have done with less catechism which we had to read some every day but most of the teachers were kind and thoughtful, except Schlicting, our 8th grade teacher. Very German. Lutheranism is just prettied up Catholicism so we had to do catechism reading. Not even that much bible.
@sh76 saidHow do you counter the criticism that its a great way to depress wages. If you as a business can staff your human resources at half the cost, there seems little incentive to hire local at twice the cost. The biggest losers would be US labor.
I'm on Musk's side. The more talented people we can get to work here, the better.
@Metal-Brain saidYes, of course, but that's a red herring.
Are you claiming we don't have enough talented people here in the USA?
I'm claiming that (with rare exception, I suppose), no society ever has enough talented people.
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@kmax87 saidThat argument assumes there's a finite number of jobs.
How do you counter the criticism that its a great way to depress wages. If you as a business can staff your human resources at half the cost, there seems little incentive to hire local at twice the cost. The biggest losers would be US labor.
I don't look at it as a zero sum game.
If companies do better because they have more skilled labor at lower cost, they'll expand. And/or more companies will open to provide more goods and services.
There's a functionally limitless array of ideas for products and services. The more competent people we have providing wanted goods and services, the better it is for society on BOTH sides of the supply/demand axis.
As companies grow and new companies form due to the influx of talent, more positions open and the wage equilibrium is restored.
Think about it. Is there a difference between importing more talented Indian engineers and more children being born in Dubuque who later become talented engineers? Is there anyone who would the the latter event is bad?