Originally posted by chancremechanicI know where you`re comming from here. If this, if it passes, other religious cults based on drugs will be springing up all over the place. Too much political correctness going on to even consider its worth if you ask me. This sort of madness should be nipped in the bud 😉 so to speak.
It will have an effect on you and your family, and country for that matter, if enough fools become adicted to it...ever have a meth head or crack head steal from you in order to get a "fix"?...no?....well, it will happen in due time....unless you're lucky...
Originally posted by chancremechanicMeth and crack are illegal. When someone becomes a criminal just for taking the drug, engaging in other criminal activities isn't a big step. Alcohol was once illegal in the U.S. and whole waves of criminal activies grew around its distribution and consumption where none had existed before. I don't know how the argument continues to be made that making a drug illegal will protect the public from criminal activities when we know the opposite is true.
It will have an effect on you and your family, and country for that matter, if enough fools become adicted to it...ever have a meth head or crack head steal from you in order to get a "fix"?...no?....well, it will happen in due time....unless you're lucky...
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you may find the following useful as a precedent of a sort:
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/rfra_rasta.htm
to quote the relevant section and save you the copy/paste trauma:
May 29, 2002
In his defense, Guerrero argued that he was a practicing Rastafarian and that his use of marijuana was religious. His importation of the herb was, he argued, protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, a law that blocks the federal government from unjustifiably infringing on a person's practice of religion.
After litigating the case for more than ten years, the Ninth Circuit ruled on Tuesday that while the Religious Freedom Restoration Act might protect some Rastafarians who possess or smoke marijuana as part of their religious practices, it does not protect the importation of marijuana, even if that marijuana was intended for religious use.
Originally posted by chancremechanicYou are of course right, irresponsible drug use effects the familys of drug abussers. Though you are incorrect to assume that the use of this tea by this religion could constitute drug abuse. Native peoples of countless countries around the world use various different halucinogens to explore their spirituality. You can't deny people the freedom to explore life in whatever way they choose. The only point were people must be restricted, is as you say, when their actions hurt others. In this case that is yet to be proven.
Yeah, tell that to the families of meth heads and crack heads...oh, and don't forget heroin addicts.....🙄
Originally posted by SkorjHorse crap! Methamphetamines will turn an otherwise peaceful town of 10,000 people into a paranoid-induced town of 10,000 who have to lock up everything that isn't bolted down...even tricycles will get pawned...alcohol, while problematic in its own right, is nothing like crystal meth or crack cocaine, and if you disagree, I highly encourage you to research what I'm talking about...afterward, come tell me how you still feel keeping meth off the streets and out of the country won't protect the general public....
Meth and crack are illegal. When someone becomes a criminal just for taking the drug, engaging in other criminal activities isn't a big step. Alcohol was once illegal in the U.S. and whole waves of criminal activies grew around its distribution and consumption where none had existed before. I don't know how the argument continues to be made that making a drug illegal will protect the public from criminal activities when we know the opposite is true.
Originally posted by marinakatombWe don't need another third-world drug-induced religious movement in America...we already have the Santerias slaughtering chickens and goats and spewing the blood everywhere....let them keep it in Brazil....or let them introduce it into Great Britain...cheers
You are of course right, irresponsible drug use effects the familys of drug abussers. Though you are incorrect to assume that the use of this tea by this religion could constitute drug abuse. Native peoples of countless countries around the world use various different halucinogens to explore their spirituality. You can't deny people the freedom to expl ...[text shortened]... estricted, is as you say, when their actions hurt others. In this case that is yet to be proven.
Originally posted by chancremechanicYes, you are right. However, these people are not taking Methamphetamine or crack cocaine. They are drinking tea, there is a difference (as there is a difference between crack and alcohol)
Horse crap! Methamphetamines will turn an otherwise peaceful town of 10,000 people into a paranoid-induced town of 10,000 who have to lock up everything that isn't bolted down...even tricycles will get pawned...alcohol, while problematic in its own right, is nothing like crystal meth or crack cocaine, and if you disagree, I highly encourage you to ...[text shortened]... l feel keeping meth off the streets and out of the country won't protect the general public....
Where do you draw the line? Understandably, it is better to be safe than sorry. A society doesn't want to encourage drug use, as it can cause devastating effects on whole areas.
In the UK Magic Mushrooms are legal and are available in the shops. I believe they can safely but put in the same bracket as this tea, ie, they are both psychedelic drugs. In the two years that Mushrooms have been legal, there has not been a psychedelic revolution. The streets aren't lined with Hippies smoking dope on street corners. The plain fact of the matter is, very very few people actually take them.
Assuming this tea is not addictive (if it is then it will be a problem without doubt) then i adhere to the principal that people will use it for a while and then give it up. I personally would rather have the police using their time effectively to stop crime, rather than wasting their time arresting and prosecuting students and cult religious wierdos who aren't actually doing anyone any harm.
Originally posted by chancremechanicYes, meth and crack are too powerful enough to cause users to turn to criminal activities no matter what the legas status of the drug itself is. They must remain illegal. While I may stand to be corrected though, I doubt the same could be said of hallucinogenic tea. It seemed that in your original post you were trying to paint them both with the same brush. Did you intend to imply that as a meth head will commit break-ins etc. to feed his addiction, so too will tea freak?
Horse crap! Methamphetamines will turn an otherwise peaceful town of 10,000 people into a paranoid-induced town of 10,000 who have to lock up everything that isn't bolted down...even tricycles will get pawned...alcohol, while problematic in its own right, is nothing like crystal meth or crack cocaine, and if you disagree, I highly encourage you to ...[text shortened]... l feel keeping meth off the streets and out of the country won't protect the general public....
Originally posted by SkorjI've done crystal meth a few times. I didn't turn to criminal activities.
Yes, meth and crack are too powerful enough to cause users to turn to criminal activities no matter what the legas status of the drug itself is. They must remain illegal. While I may stand to be corrected though, I doubt the same could be said of hallucinogenic tea. It seemed that in your original post you were trying to paint them both with the same brush. Di ...[text shortened]... ly that as a meth head will commit break-ins etc. to feed his addiction, so too will tea freak?
Originally posted by SkorjTrue enough.
I've known some folks who have said they have driven drunk bofore and nothing bad happened.
I wonder if there's any substantial difference between outlawing the combination of a drug + an activity which is dangerous if done under the influence and simply outlawing the drug.
How come alcohol is not illegal entirely but crystal meth is?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAs far as alcohol vs. crystal meth, it's a matter of degree. I look at it like this: Just as owning a hunting rifle is legal (though subject to some degree of regulation) but owning a Tomahawk missle isn't, so alcohol is legal (though subject to some degree of regulation) but crystal meth isn't.
True enough.
I wonder if there's any substantial difference between outlawing the combination of a drug + an activity which is dangerous if done under the influence and simply outlawing the drug.
How come alcohol is not illegal entirely but crystal meth is?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou're lucky....I discourage you from taking anymore just to see how much it takes to make you an addicted "tweaker"....some peole get hooked the first time...other several....you were lucky....
I've done crystal meth a few times. I didn't turn to criminal activities.
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Originally posted by chancremechanicIt's not physically addictive and it's no more pleasurable than weed or alcohol to me. Why do you think it's so addictive? I fear alcohol more - I've had far worse experiences with alcohol, and it is physically addictive.
You're lucky....I discourage you from taking anymore just to see how much it takes to make you an addicted "tweaker"....some peole get hooked the first time...other several....you were lucky....
*EDIT* - Different sources are saying different things about whether it's physically addictive. It may be physically addictive after all. I'll look into it.