Originally posted by SkorjWhat I meant was that if we simply saw the two ships side by side we wouldn't need to measure length or tonnage to tell which is the larger ship. Likewise, camparing the path of addiction and the stories of those who have become addicts and comparing this to what we know about alcoholism we don't need an objective measure to tell us which is more addictive.
Yes, I drive my wife crazy with annalogies like this so if it's any consolation at least you don't live with me. What I meant was that if we simply saw the two ships side by side we wouldn't need to measure length or tonnage to tell which is the larger ship. Likewise, camparing the path of addiction and the stories of those who have become addicts and compa ...[text shortened]... d and meth meant to be snorted or ingested because I'd view the issues around them differently.
I can see your point now. We don't need to define 'meter' to tell which ship is bigger, and likewise we don't need an objective unit of 'addictive potential' to tell which is more addictive. Maybe I haven't talked to enough addicts of each type but I cannot make the same kind of comparitive judgement for addiction as I would for length of boats.
There is also the possibility that since alcohol is more socially acceptable and legal, and since there are more easily available highly diluted preparations of alcohol available, it's easier to be a casual user of alcohol as opposed to a casual user of CM.
I mean, if I want a beer, I can just go get a beer. I know that if I want to get piss drunk tomorrow I can do that too, so there's no pressure to do that now. If I go through the effort of getting CM, then it's more of an event, and I feel like I should really get a good high, because it's not an everyday thing to have access to the CM. And, you know you're already a criminal and social outcast, so it's not as big a jump to move to other crimes. And, the CM might be toxic because there is no government branch checking that the CM offered to the public is clean. The situation is more complex than the boat example; it's like one boat is at the dock and the other one two hundred meters out to sea, and one is turned at a different angle than the other, and they are different colors, and there's fog around one and not the other, and you have poor distance vision so you can see the closer one more easily...
Originally posted by marinakatombI can't give a really informed oppinion on the tea; I don't know much about it and Googling it mostly gives articles about the legal case and not the actual substance. I did find a report that claimed some lad drank hallucinogenic tea and cut his own penis off though. You know what they say: if you read it on the internet it must be true.
So Skorj, what are your views about the tea? Do you consider it to be as threatening as Meth or is it closer to alcohol? Would you ban it or not?
More to the point, assuming I did the research and became convinced that the tea should be legal, if it is a drug it should be regulated, and it's importation specially monitored.
Originally posted by SkorjI've actually seen a documentary on the bbc about this cult/religion. A guy went to stay with them and join in with a ceremony. I tell you something, those people are very very weird. They drink the tea and then chant and dance (or spin around on the spot) for hours and hours. The guy was totally freaked out (probably the tea more than anything).
I can't give a really informed oppinion on the tea; I don't know much about it and Googling it mostly gives articles about the legal case and not the actual substance. I did find a report that claimed some lad drank hallucinogenic tea and cut his own penis off though. You know what they say: if you read it on the internet it must be true.
More to the poin ...[text shortened]... uld be legal, if it is a drug it should be regulated, and it's importation specially monitored.
In my view it should be proven beyond doubt that this tea is harmful, either to the individual or to society itself, before it is banned outright. I smoked grass in my teens and have been arrested on more than one occasion for possesion. I never did anyone any harm, yet i can no longer pass a security check for any work in government or banks, etc... as i have a "criminal" record. I don't feel this is very good for society as a whole. Im not Einstein, but imagine if i was. One of the greatest minds man kind has ever seen, shot down in his teens for smoking a joint in the park. Im sure it's probably happened to some poor shmuck already.
Originally posted by PaulieIf it truly is for "religious purposes" i'm all for it... I (being Wiccan) use a variety of herbs for vision quests and sacrament.. all of wich being legal to by (ofcourse) Like Salvia Divanorum, Peruvian torch, Absinthe(wormwood) ext. ext.
Religion smigion. Should this be allowed? I think not.
From Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court said on Monday it would decide whether the federal government must allow the U.S. branch of a Brazilian-based religion to import a hallucinogenic tea for use as a sacrament.
The high court agreed to review a U.S. appeals court ruling that s ...[text shortened]... arguments in the case and then issue a decision during its upcoming term that begins in October.
Originally posted by XHerakleitosAmen."Another example of multiculturalism run amok...these knuckleheads want to drink tea, give 'em lipton..or a one-way ticket back to Brazil...."
Hallucinogen consumption is likely the origin of all religious practice.
It's not addictive. A completely different animal than crack, cocaine, heroin, or crank. As Doctor Evil m ...[text shortened]... tic war on drugs... should be required to ingest the tea or 150 micrograms of LSD before ruling.
Finally someone who actually has a clue what they are talking about.
I am disgusted by all these people who bash substances without ever trying them let alone reading anything about the effects. They just repeat the same crap churned out by the media or brain dead politicians.
Halluconegic drugs at least nearly all of them have zero potential for addiction. If anything usage becomes less frequent with time.
I highly recommend the narrow minded, ignorant halluconegic tea bashers give the tea or same substance contained in it a go. The tea contains DMT (dimethyltryptamine). One of the most intense hallucinogens known. It will open your eyes. You will never look at the world in the same way. It is a thing of amazing beauty.
DMT occurs in hundreds of plant species and if you are going to schedule DMT you may as well schedule caffeine. At least thr former isn't addictive. Also from a toxicological point of view they are nearly identical in toxicity.
Also under the ridiculous laws prohibiting DMT in most countries we all could be technically found guilty of DMT posession as DMT occurs in varying amounts in our brains and spinal fluids. DMT is linked to near death experiences.