Originally posted by KazetNagorra There are certainly many WW3 scenarios that I can imagine involving Donald Trump.
At least his e-mails will be safe.
Well yes, but then again he's unlikely to regard himself as committed to Clinton's policy of establishing NATO air supremacy over Syria, which risks that outcome.
Originally posted by DeepThought I don't think that there's a strong semantic difference between "fixed" and "rigged" in this context. Care to list the "problems and roadblocks" that have been put in Trump's way? As far as I know no one has attempted to prove he wasn't born in the US or used some other procedural method to block him. Doing things like pointing out to the electorate that he has no experience in government do not count, that is part of normal electioneering.
You just now pointed to one example of what I'm talking about.
The birther issue began with the Hillary camp during her run against Obama for the nomination back in 2008. It didn't originate with Trump, it began with Hillary. Also, Trump was against going into Iraq, but once we were there he supported the troops... disagreeing with a war and supporting our troops once they are there is not the same thing.
So a big part of how things are rigged is how most of the established press have been telling half truths and lies favoring one side over the other. And imo the main reason so many people were blindsided by Trump's nomination and win is because they only wanted to hear what they wanted to hear... so they only read and listened to news sources dedicated to telling them what they already believe and wanted to hear.
Originally posted by joe beyser I don't think he is a warmonger as you would have us to believe. We will see though. Your downplaying the emails and the importance of the issue as it relates to the position of commander in chief is laughable and I thank you for the morning amusement. I did see that Russia has put out an international arrest warrant for Soros. Now there is a warmonger for ya. If they get him a lot of the political agitation and wars will go with him.
Donald Trump is a petty, vindictive little man and you guys just put him in charge of the most powerful military in the world. We can only hope that his isolationist tendencies will prevail - if the United States does not start any new military adventures (which would certainly break the GOP tradition, but then again Donald Trump does) there would at least be a welcome side-effect to a Trump presidency that we might not have had with a Clinton one. I'm not too confident in that outcome, however.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra Donald Trump is a petty, vindictive little man and you guys just put him in charge of the most powerful military in the world. We can only hope that his isolationist tendencies will prevail - if the United States does not start any new military adventures (which would certainly break the GOP tradition, but then again Donald Trump does) there would at le ...[text shortened]... y that we might not have had with a Clinton one. I'm not too confident in that outcome, however.
There was a lot of scare talk about Reagan going ballistic and dropping bombs all over the place before he *cough* stole the election from prez Carter.
The election is over. The time for scare talk and getting emotions whipped up is before an election, not after...
Originally posted by whodey https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/clinton-campaign-lost-because-james-192619059.html
That's right everyone, the blame does not rest upon Hillary because she did nothing wrong, in fact, she never does.
It's all apart of the vast right wing conspiracy.
Here's a somewhat interesting piece of trivia. I watched a movie last month that came out in 2002 entitled The Adventures of Pluto Nash. It's a futuristic sci-fi drama/comedy about a Los Vegas type place on the moon, with gambling casinos and Vegas type shows and mobsters and all of that other happy horse sh**
In one scene the hero is fleeing across the moonscape and passes a billboard that says Trump Reality. That was mildly entertaining. But in another scene we see a suitcase containing stacks of bribe money being opened, and guess which presidents face is showing on all those thousand dollar bills? It's in the future, so a thousand dollars is probably only worth a hundred bucks today.
If you know or can figure out the name of the president on those bills, remember that this film came out in the year 2002.
Originally posted by lemon lime There was a lot of scare talk about Reagan going ballistic and dropping bombs all over the place before he *cough* stole the election from prez Carter.
The election is over. The time for scare talk and getting emotions whipped up is before an election, not after...
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Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents of the 20th Century and he did drop bombs all over the place (to his credit, he didn't start a nuclear war). I'm not sure how the comparison with Reagan is supposed to make me feel more confident that a Trump presidency isn't going to be a total fecal hurricane.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents of the 20th Century and he did drop bombs all over the place (to his credit, he didn't start a nuclear war). I'm not sure how the comparison with Reagan is supposed to make me feel more confident that a Trump presidency isn't going to be a total fecal hurricane.
Haven't you noticed? There's already a fecal hurricane in progress. It's happening right now, as we speak. And it's not being fomented by Trump or his supporters.
Predicting a scary future might carry more weight if your other prognostications had been proven right.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra Donald Trump is a petty, vindictive little man and you guys just put him in charge of the most powerful military in the world. We can only hope that his isolationist tendencies will prevail - if the United States does not start any new military adventures (which would certainly break the GOP tradition, but then again Donald Trump does) there would at le ...[text shortened]... y that we might not have had with a Clinton one. I'm not too confident in that outcome, however.
Originally posted by KazetNagorra Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents of the 20th Century and he did drop bombs all over the place (to his credit, he didn't start a nuclear war). I'm not sure how the comparison with Reagan is supposed to make me feel more confident that a Trump presidency isn't going to be a total fecal hurricane.
When obama was elected all the right wing loons were like "end of the world, end of the world, eeeeee, eeee". The left wing loons scoffed at them.
Now with Trump the left wing loons are like "end of the world, end of the world, eeee, eeee"
Originally posted by lemon lime You just now pointed to one example of what I'm talking about.
The birther issue began with the Hillary camp during her run against Obama for the nomination back in 2008. It didn't originate with Trump, it began with Hillary. Also, Trump was against going into Iraq, but once we were there he supported the troops... disagreeing with a war and supporting ...[text shortened]... listened to news sources dedicated to telling them what they already believe and wanted to hear.
The birther issue may have started with a few Clinton supporters who refused to give up after Clinton herself had conceded the 2008 nomination, however the Democrats dropped it years ago, the Republicans kept it alive for years, not the media. Besides it was hardly an issue in this election. I don't know about the Iraq issue, but you can hardly expect the media not to report it. I don't accept that there was straightforward media bias against him as many prominent Republicans were refusing to endorse him. In that kind of context there are going to be a lot of negative media coverage. Within all that I seem to remember considerable coverage regarding Clinton's health and of course the emails. So what are you on about?
Other than propaganda, try to show the election is rigged. It just wasn't in any meaningful way. Unless some story develops like Florida's voting machines from the 2000 election I don't think you can credibly claim the election was rigged.
Originally posted by lemon lime You just now pointed to one example of what I'm talking about.
The birther issue began with the Hillary camp during her run against Obama for the nomination back in 2008. It didn't originate with Trump, it began with Hillary. Also, Trump was against going into Iraq, but once we were there he supported the troops... disagreeing with a war and supporting ...[text shortened]... listened to news sources dedicated to telling them what they already believe and wanted to hear.
This is utterly foolish. Have you done your own research regarding these outlandish claims, or have you done the same as what passes for journalism in this country today and just parroted what someone else wrote, lies and all? The only part in your diatribe that you got right was "most of the established press have been telling half truths and lies favoring one side over the other", only the side they favored was not Clinton, because these half-truths and lies about Hillary have been going on since 1992.
And oh yeah, this tidbit: "because they only wanted to hear what they wanted to hear... so they only read and listened to news sources dedicated to telling them what they already believe and wanted to hear". Yes, this is the story of the conservatives and how the lies about Hillary were circulated and magnified. Amazing how a story can contain a germ of truth, yet you point it at the wrong target, and use the truth to tell lies. This is how the Republicans won. They've been doing this for a very long time.
Originally posted by no1marauder You can read I presume, so I would prefer you actually stick to what I wrote rather than twisting it into something else.
Hillary was in the lead after election night as far as popular votes are concerned. While exits polls or any polls aren't 100% reliable, a polling margin of 12% is pretty significant.
So why doesn't Obama fire Comey? It must be because he doesn't care if Hillary lost in that way. His loyalty for her must have been mostly show. Maybe the FBI has had it in for Hillary ever since her husband fired Sessions.
Originally posted by Metal Brain So why doesn't Obama fire Comey? It must be because he doesn't care if Hillary lost in that way. His loyalty for her must have been mostly show. Maybe the FBI has had it in for Hillary ever since her husband fired Sessions.
It would be useless now and would have been politically bad during the campaign.
Originally posted by DeepThought The birther issue may have started with a few Clinton supporters who refused to give up after Clinton herself had conceded the 2008 nomination, however the Democrats dropped it years ago, the Republicans kept it alive for years, not the media. Besides it was hardly an issue in this election. I don't know about the Iraq issue, but you can hardly expect ...[text shortened]... ng machines from the 2000 election I don't think you can credibly claim the election was rigged.
The birther issue may have started with a few Clinton supporters who refused to give up after Clinton herself had conceded the 2008 nomination, however the Democrats dropped it years ago...
Wrong. It came directly from the Clinton camp while she was still campaigning for the nomination. It was only dropped after Obama had been nominated. Whether Hillary herself actually said anything about it or not is irrelevant, because it came directly from the people working for her. She has a history of distancing herself from things she has said and done, so it's no surprise it was blamed on an operative supposedly acting on his or her own initiative. But if this was true then they would have immediately repudiated the birther story instead of giving it legs.
And of course later on it served the very useful purpose of giving Democrats ammunition for attacking Republicans, who thought it was odd that Obama wouldn't (or possibility couldn't) produce evidence he was a US citizen. The birth record Obama eventually produced look real enough, but under close examination the printed letters appeared to have been made by a computer rather than on a typewriter.
The whole thing finally blew over for the same reason other scandals and controversies seem to end... constant blowback from a biased press, and battle fatigue.
Originally posted by Suzianne This is utterly foolish. Have you done your own research regarding these outlandish claims, or have you done the same as what passes for journalism in this country today and just parroted what someone else wrote, lies and all? The only part in your diatribe that you got right was "most of the established press have been telling half truths and lies ...[text shortened]... h to tell lies. This is how the Republicans won. They've been doing this for a very long time.
Why do you think so many experts and pundants who believed Trump couldn't win were proven wrong?
There's a difference between those who work at controlling a narrative and those who believe (or don't believe) a false narrative. Some are easily influenced by what they see in the news and some aren't.
Are you suggesting most news sources had bent over backwards to support Trump and dump on Hillary?
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