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no1marauder

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15 Jul 21 00:12

There have been numerous ceasefires between Israel and Hamas; in fact, there is one now. https://www.bbc.com/news/57200843

So Hamas isn't "doing their thing" now, are they?

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15 Jul 21 00:26

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@no1marauder said
There have been numerous ceasefires between Israel and Hamas; in fact, there is one now. https://www.bbc.com/news/57200843

So Hamas isn't "doing their thing" now, are they?

They were forced to stop firing rockets into Israel due to military action. They are being kept in check by force.

I suppose you support Israel in their use of the military to keep Hamas in check.

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15 Jul 21 00:30

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@eladar said
They were forced to stop firing rockets into Israel due to military action. They are being kept in check by force.

I suppose you support Israel in their use of the military to keep Hamas in check.

Israel can't stop Hamas from firing rockets by "military force".

You're trying to change the subject, aren't you? There's nothing stopping Israel from good faith negotiations now with the PLA, is there?

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15 Jul 21 00:31

@no1marauder

Ok, you are obviously delusional.

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15 Jul 21 00:32

@eladar said
@no1marauder

Ok, you are obviously delusional.

Hamas isn't "doing their thing".

How come Israel hasn't started good faith negotiations with the PLA?

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no1marauder

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15 Jul 21 00:49

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Thanks for another useless nit pick.

Obviously I was referring to the Palestinian Authority (PA).

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15 Jul 21 01:07

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Sure brainfart mixing up PLO with the PA.

Still everyone knew what I was referring to by the context of the posts.

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16 Jul 21 21:09

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@no1marauder said
Yeah, who knows - that "pressure" might someday, somehow, force Israel to make an equitable peace with the Palestinians.

Can't have that, can we?

My answer is probably too nuanced for a board like this, but what the Hell? YOLO, right?

I would like to see an equitable peace and 2-state solution. We probably have slightly different views on what constitutes "equitable," but those are nuances.

But, I also think that once the crust is broken and Israel's position of strength is cracked, the Palestinians will not stop at a Camp David/Taba -style agreement. Once they start feeling their oats and think they can get more, they will push demands that are impossible to give into (such as the full right of return and incorporation of Temple Mount into a Palestinian capital).

I think the only way for a peace agreement that I consider equitable to come about is for Israel to compromise from a position of strength. Barak made a very substantial offer at Camp David and the Taba negotiations broke down due to bad timing and bad luck. Olmert tried again in 2008. The official reasons that did work sound impossible to believe, so I don't know what happened.

If the US suddenly cuts off support for Israel, it will encourage organizations like Hamas to wade ever deeper into their hysterical theocratic rhetoric and will reverse the process started by the Abraham Accords.

If you ask me what the solution is, I will answer: I don't know. But the US suddenly pulling its support will be a disaster that will not end in negotiated peace.

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16 Jul 21 21:14

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An easy solution would be for Egypt to annex Palestine. Egypt has demonstrated that it can coexist with Israel. Since a great number of those who are in Palestine have their family roots in Egypt it should be no issue.

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16 Jul 21 21:19

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@eladar said
An easy solution would be for Egypt to annex Palestine. Egypt has demonstrated that it can coexist with Israel. Since a great number of those who are in Palestine have their family roots in Egypt it should be no issue.

It's not a coincidence that the two countries who deal most with the Palestinians (Egypt and Jordan) were the fastest to make and sustain peace with Israel.

Egypt's part of the Gaza blockade is stricter than Israel's.

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16 Jul 21 21:21

@sh76 said
It's not a coincidence that the two countries who deal most with the Palestinians (Egypt and Jordan) were the fastest to make and sustain peace with Israel.

Egypt's part of the blockade is stricter than Israel's.

It appears that Egypt would do a good job of keeping the jihadists under control.

But I doubt anyone would convince Egypt to take responsibility for the region.