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Originally posted by flyUnityYes. Especially from the point of view of my grand kids. Their mom and they are really into the church thing (which wreeks havoc with their old atheist granddad) and they have good friends that are two to three years older and younger based on that association. I think this is really healthy. I have noticed that they learn to adapt to the age that is required of them in certain situations. Quite cool, really. Especially when they are surrounded by adults and you see them strive to fit in AS adults. My kindergarten grandson plays a real mean game of poker with us adults.
I agree totally with you. Also from what I have observed, Public School Kids socialize with Kids, but usually only if its their own age group, whereas Home-educated Kids seem to socialize with every age group, Has anyone else noticed that?
Originally posted by telerionOk I see your points, although I disagree with you, I now know why ppl think Im a dropout when I tell them im a homeschooler, In fact I learned the construction trade at a very young age and if my parents sent me to a public school I wouldnt had as much of a chance to learn, Im am so thankful that my parents Home-educated me,
[b]look at the facts and do a search on Google, Homeschoolers average a grade ahead then their peers,
Problems with grade reports are that they are done by the parents for homeschoolers and by the public school for the other kids. Because homeschooling is generally much less structured, there is a lot of wiggle room for parents when reporting grade ...[text shortened]... wn, but we are not all so lucky as to have the money or get scholarships to attend them.
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Also dont say my statistics are wrong, as I seen living proof of this, Show me a study which indicates otherwise. It seems you are making judgments about homeschooler's based on my post, Maybe thats why you are againts it because of a few people. but thats ok, I guess to you Im just another dropout
Ben
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Also dont say my statistics are wrong, as I seen living proof of this, Show me a study which indicates otherwise. It seems you are making judgments about homeschooler's based on my post, Maybe thats why you are againts it because of a few people. but thats ok, I guess to you Im just another dropout
There's your study right there. Bear in mind it's hard to bold missing punctuation (commas, full stops).
Originally posted by XanthosNZHey... no one ever said home schoolerz wer superior.. er.. wait.. yeah thats what this thread is about huh... hmm.. never mind.. carry on..
[i]Also [b]dont say my statistics are wrong, as I seen living proof of this, Show me a study which indicates otherwise. It seems you are making judgments about homeschooler's based on my post, Maybe thats why you are againts it because of a few people. but thats ok, I guess to you Im just another ...[text shortened]... our study right there. Bear in mind it's hard to bold missing punctuation (commas, full stops).[/b]
Originally posted by XanthosNZYea, you just proved my point, instead of believing the studies I showed you, you created a study, with one person in it, cant you do any better then that?
[i]Also [b]dont say my statistics are wrong, as I seen living proof of this, Show me a study which indicates otherwise. It seems you are making judgments about homeschooler's based on my post, Maybe thats why you are againts it because of a few people. but thats ok, I guess to you Im just another ...[text shortened]... our study right there. Bear in mind it's hard to bold missing punctuation (commas, full stops).[/b]
Originally posted by KellyJayWrong.
You are worried that someone is pushing what they think is correct
or true in the class they teach. You said that was what you did, didn't
you in another post? I guess it is only good when people agree with
your bias isn't it? Still waiting on those science papers.
Kelly
I'm worried they will pretend they have no views, or that their views have no effect upon their teaching.
I expect teachers to express the truth as they understand it.
Creationism, however, has no place in the science curriculum, for it is not science. If a science teacher believes otherwise, she should explain her position clearly and openly, not covertly attempt to inculcate naive children. I saw a few subtle things in my son's classroom that made me suspicious of such a covert agenda.
My students have no ambiguity regarding my assumptions and biases. But they also quickly learn that my biases do not interfere with fairness and honesty vis-a-vis opinions and people who disagree with me. I mostly teach adults, which makes me the learner as much as the teacher.
I deal with children as a chess teacher; most of them know nothing of my politics (except that the older ones are aware of my disgust at Bobby Fischer's anti-Semitism).
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Originally posted by wucky3The United States has no national curriculum. We almost got one in Social Studies when Lynn Cheney was in charge during the first Bush administration, but she killed it the week before it was published because too many unplesant truths about this great country would have become more commonly known if the curriculum were implemented.
do parents have to follow the national curriculum if teaching at home?
Originally posted by WulebgrI'm against a required national curriculum, That's the first step towards Communism
The United States has no national curriculum. We almost got one in Social Studies when Lynn Cheney was in charge during the first Bush administration, but she killed it the week before it was published because too many unplesant truths about this great country would have become more commonly known if the curriculum were implemented.
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Originally posted by WulebgrSly inuendo and no statements of facts? What unpleasant truths that don't correspond to every other civilization on earth at the same era? Tell me one thing that the US did that nobody else did at that time? Britain and India are really good. So are the abo's and the Aussies. Dutch and the indies? How about the french and the algerians and the other african holdings. Did it ever occur to you that civilization is kind of a global phenomenon? That we all were pretty much doing the same things at the same time? And that we still are?
The United States has no national curriculum. We almost got one in Social Studies when Lynn Cheney was in charge during the first Bush administration, but she killed it the week before it was published because too many unplesant truths abou ...[text shortened]... ave become more commonly known if the curriculum were implemented.
Or didn't they teach you that in school?
Originally posted by flyUnityThe only cases where I witnessed this were cases where the child had little other choice. There were simply too few homeschoolers (10 or 11 families locally) to group everyone with their age group.
I agree totally with you. Also from what I have observed, Public School Kids socialize with Kids, but usually only if its their own age group, whereas Home-educated Kids seem to socialize with every age group, Has anyone else noticed that?
Personally, I think the whole public school kids don't know how to interact outside their age group is crap. They learn this both by making friends in different grades (Yes, it does happen quite a bit! gasp) and through friendships with an older siblings peers. They also meet children of different ages at family social functions outside of class.
Other than the hours that public school children spend in class while the homeschooler reads at home, the children to not need to differ that much. All difference occurs on average from independent characteristics that have are strongly overrepresented in the homeschool pool.
Perhaps I have come off a little too critical of homeschool. I think it is more acceptable at young ages (elementary). At that time, a reasonably educated parent should be able to handle the material in the curriculum. In middle school, it's hard to say. The curriculum is getting more challenging and more diversified, but those years can be especially hard for kids in public/private schools. By high school it is my firm belief that a responsible parent should place their child in either a private (usually best) or public school with exceptions for very unusual circumstances.
Being an ex-public school teacher fits well with homeschooling young children, but it is of much less use at the high school level.
Finally, I want to combat this growing sentiment that American public schools are filled with rotten kids from bad homes. I am surrounded by products of the public school system. All of these people have been very successful. They worked hard, led there classes, and brought a sense of community to their schools. It's just silly to focus on the lower tail of students in the public school system. Unfortunately, most of this skewed thought is fueled by radical evangelical xtianity. Yet another case of its intimate relationship with scientific ignorance.
Originally posted by flyUnityI don't need studies to tell me what I can see for myself. As I said in my first post I know people who were homeschooled. I base my opinion of the merits of homeschooling on them.
Yea, you just proved my point, instead of believing the studies I showed you, you created a study, with one person in it, cant you do any better then that?
Some are very gifted in narrow areas (chess, math etc.). Of course these same people have a distinct lack of social and communication skills.
Originally posted by XanthosNZDats what i'm sayn about being in a social environment.. i dont know about you.. but i socialised with older, younger, freaks, geeks, jocks, nerdz, preps, teachers, ext ext... I interact well with "almost" any one... hence me getting every job i've ever ben interviewed for... and the shear ease of getn "company" when i need it.. 😉
I don't need studies to tell me what I can see for myself. As I said in my first post I know people who were homeschooled. I base my opinion of the merits of homeschooling on them.
Some are very gifted in narrow areas (chess, math etc.). Of course these same people have a distinct lack of social and communication skills.