Originally posted by flyUnityhaha...i think that statement is nonsense. do you think all parents should stay at home and educate their children...? I'm sure it wouldn't do the economy much good?!
yea, I have no clue about the UK, but it is sad when parents put work in front of their children, IMO Parents shouldnt sacrafice their child's well-being for money
Originally posted by telerionI agree structured lesson plans should be followed, not just an off
[b]look at the facts and do a search on Google, Homeschoolers average a grade ahead then their peers,
Problems with grade reports are that they are done by the parents for homeschoolers and by the public school for the other kids. Because homeschooling is generally much less structured, there is a lot of wiggle room for parents when reporting grade ...[text shortened]... wn, but we are not all so lucky as to have the money or get scholarships to attend them.
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the cuff lesson plan. There should also be required testing from
someone outside of the home too, not the state, but maybe a
charter school. Beyond that I think homeschooling is much better
if it is done right.
Kelly
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Originally posted by wucky3Maybe but how do you know? Those that homeschool normally don't
haha...i think that statement is nonsense. do you think all parents should stay at home and educate their children...? I'm sure it wouldn't do the economy much good?!
have latch key kids free to do as they will when the parents are gone.
Seems like the issues of parents staying home so they can take care
of their kids are less damaging then when they are not at home
doing that. Maybe someone can point to a study on that?
[Not all parents, but one out of two would be nice.]
Kelly
I'm not familiar with the notion of 'homeschooling'. I believe it is rare in the UK. Are there any laws governing it? Can anyone 'homeschool' their child? Surely some people would be totally unsuitable to do it. In these circumstances it would be detrimental to the development of the children.
Originally posted by ianpickeringIt used to be illegal in the US in most states, but there were several success stories that were written about, and the poor conditions of many public schools has lead to changes in the desire of parents to teach their children themselves.
I'm not familiar with the notion of 'homeschooling'. I believe it is rare in the UK. Are there any laws governing it? Can anyone 'homeschool' their child? Surely some people would be totally unsuitable to do it. In these circumstances it would be detrimental to the development of the children.
The first popular stories were from a liberal family who lived so far out in the woods that public schooling was not an options. This family decided to go with the "unschooling" method of homeschooling - totally unstructured and unguided. They learned on the farm practically skills and encouraged the boys to learn what ever interested them. One of the kids didn't learn how to read until he had to in order to learn more about a subject the parents couldn't teach him.
What is interesting about homeschooling is that most kids need very little to get them motivated. The kids do much of the teaching. Once our kids started reading, all we do is guide them along. It can be a lot of work, but the kids are not limited by the knowledge of the parents. Sometime we need to push them to do skill building tasks they don't find interesting (memorizing multiplication tables).
Public schools seem to be good at killing the desire to learn because kids are forced march though material with kids of similar ages. Kids must keep up or get left behind. And if you want to go faster, your slowed down (unless you are really fast and can get into an accelerated group). There's very little flexibility in public schools.
There is also the problem of efficiency - public school kids waste a great deal of time each day moving between classes and traveling to and from school.
Public school kids are also forced to associate only with kids of their own age group. Homeschoolers generally get to work with kids of all ages and adults.
Originally posted by Colettido parents have to follow the national curriculum if teaching at home?
It used to be illegal in the US in most states, but there were several success stories that were written about, and the poor conditions of many public schools has lead to changes in the desire of parents to teach their children themselves.
The first popular stories were from a liberal family who lived so far out in the woods that public schooling was not ...[text shortened]... ds of their own age group. Homeschoolers generally get to work with kids of all ages and adults.
Originally posted by wucky3No, but many States have mandatory testing. It may be once a year, or every three years, etc. This set's a minimum standard of educations, and few homeschoolers have trouble passing.
do parents have to follow the national curriculum if teaching at home?
Most States do publish their basic curriculum, and homeschoolers will usually keep it in mind as they go to make sure they cover what is need to past the State tests.
This is a very interesting thread.
Cudo's to wulebgr for caring enough to do what is best. That is cool.
I agree with Kirksey. About parents #3, though I have never encountered them.
Our school district has always had an open door policy for parents. We can attend school with our kids and/or grandkids any time we want. I always made it a point to go to school at least twice a month with my kids. My daughter does that with her kids too, and when she can't, I and my wife have filled in on occasion.
The other thing that I did as a parent was send a certified letter to the principal and teacher at the start of each school year saying that I would back them in any and all discipline issues to do with our kids, but that in return, we expected them to discipline our kids should they need it.
Then comes the hardest and most difficult issue. Bullying.
I helped my kids to learn that getting beat up and bloody isn't the end of the world. You have to fight for your rights and stand up to bullies. That is very frightening to kids the first time they must face it. Then they learn that a few stitches are not the end of the world. They have to fight their own fights. Parents are too much the idiots to get involved in kid stuff.
None of this applies to places where civilization has broken down and lethal force is available to kids. In that case, I feel that it is the parents obligation to remove the kid into a safe educational environment, either at home or a private school.
Mike
Originally posted by Colettii'm not 100% sure but i think in the UK parents who do teach their children at home (which isn't very many..i think parents who have children with learning difficulties do this more..i'll check this out) have to follow the curriculum.
No, but many States have mandatory testing. It may be once a year, or every three years, etc. This set's a minimum standard of educations, and few homeschoolers have trouble passing.
Most States do publish their basic curriculum, and homeschoolers will usually keep it in mind as they go to make sure they cover what is need to past the State tests.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyHiya Mike
This is a very interesting thread.
Cudo's to wulebgr for caring enough to do what is best. That is cool.
I agree with Kirksey. About parents #3, though I have never encountered them.
Our school district has always had an open door policy for parents. We can attend school with our kids and/or grandkids any time we want. I always made it a point ...[text shortened]... remove the kid into a safe educational environment, either at home or a private school.
Mike
Bullying, fighting,friendships etc..it's all part of growing up isn't it. Aren't children who are taught at home missing out on important social skills?
Originally posted by wucky3My concern with homeschooling is that kids do not recieve the hiidden cirriculum. The social mores that bind the fabric of society are learnt by osmosis from being with ones peers in ones formative years. These skills cannot be picked from reading a book.
i'm not 100% sure but i think in the UK parents who do teach their children at home (which isn't very many..i think parents who have children with learning difficulties do this more..i'll check this out) have to follow the curriculum.
At university I "read" Intenational Management. I "learnt" how to converse with paople of all social class, I "learnt" how to drink too much and I "learnt" balance study, work and pleasure.
I fear home schooling might be good for exams but bad for society's learning.
Originally posted by wucky3A lot depends on the life of the kid in general. It would never have been a problem with my kids, because they had scouts, church, tennis club, softball, baseball, soccer and ten thousand ways to socialize. School was an important part of their socialization, but by no means did it define them. Of the five or six best friends my kids had, perhaps half were home schooled. They socialized twenty hours a week at least with these friends in all the above ways, plus many more.
Hiya Mike
Bullying, fighting,friendships etc..it's all part of growing up isn't it. Aren't children who are taught at home missing out on important social skills?
As to bullying in general... Every kid has to march off to college and face mindless commie professors eventually. It is good to get in the habit of fighting before being subjected to these mind numbing fools.
Originally posted by invigorateThere are significant numbers of families home schooling here in the Ohio/Michigan/Indiana corner. I have met many of them through the years and they all used state approved materials and passed state exams for their grade levels. In many cases their mothers had been public school teachers before they married and started families. In all the families that I knew the children also participated in band, sports etc. at their local public schools. In all the families I have known the children entered high school in 9th or 10th grade and graduated with what would have been their class if they had been attending public school from the beginning.
My concern with homeschooling is that kids do not recieve the hiidden cirriculum. The social mores that bind the fabric of society are learnt by osmosis from being with ones peers in ones formative years. These skills cannot be picked from reading a book.
At university I "read" Intenational Management. I "learnt" how to converse with paople of all ...[text shortened]... pleasure.
I fear home schooling might be good for exams but bad for society's learning.
Originally posted by wucky3Homeschool kids are very rarely isolated from other kids and people, so social skills don't become a problem. The vast majority of HS parents make a point of getting their kids involved in group social and academic activities.
Hiya Mike
Bullying, fighting,friendships etc..it's all part of growing up isn't it. Aren't children who are taught at home missing out on important social skills?
I think the public school environment tends to be artificially harsh. Getting kids into groups of 30 or more, all of the same age does not ensure they will develop healthy social skills. Kids often learn how to be better bullies, how to scape goat the odd child, how important looks and are, how to it's easier to go along with popular opinion by sacrificing personal standards. There's a great deal of potential for unhealthy social behavior when you force children into large groups with strict age limits and limited adult interaction.
You often find homeschool kids are very open to unusually kids (kids with handicaps are common among homeschool groups - as well as the occasional super smart kids). You won't see much "scape-goating" happening among homeschool kids.
Originally posted by ColettiI agree totally with you. Also from what I have observed, Public School Kids socialize with Kids, but usually only if its their own age group, whereas Home-educated Kids seem to socialize with every age group, Has anyone else noticed that?
Homeschool kids are very rarely isolated from other kids and people, so social skills don't become a problem. The vast majority of HS parents make a point of getting their kids involved in group social and academic activities.
I think the public school environment tends to be artificially harsh. Getting kids into groups of 30 or more, all of the same ...[text shortened]... nal super smart kids). You won't see much "scape-goating" happening among homeschool kids.