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@no1marauder said
Let's see who to believe: right wing internet posters or the medical profession?

Here is what the science says:

Medical science can help people affirm their gender identity, but it's not physically possible to change someone's sex.
Explanation
Hormone therapy: Cross-hormone treatment can help people who were assigned male at birth affirm their gender identity as female.
Surgery: Surgery can alter the appearance of breasts and genital organs.
Genetic variations: Some genetic variations may make it harder for some people to process androgen, which can lead to a brain that develops differently.
However, some say that sex reassignment doesn't work and that attempting to do so can lead to poor outcomes. There are also ethical concerns about the treatment, and there's a lack of high-quality scientific data on the long-term effects.

In simple langauge. A man with XY chromsomes cannot be changed into a woman with XX chromosomes.. IMPOSSIBLE. What is possible, is that surgery can alter the appearance of the man for him to appear like a woman, externally ... ON THE OUTSIDE. But he remains a man genetically.

Some men can put on a dress, a padded bra, high heels, some makeup and look like a woman. What surgery does is simply make permanent changes to the external appearance of the man. He is still a man regardless.

@no1marauder said
Let's see who to believe: right wing internet posters or the medical profession?

Oh yeah the medical profession is covered in glory and could never lead us astray. Why are you so fixated on fake vaginas being the definitive proof of womanhood, no1? Your dates not turning out like you expected?

@Rajk999 said
Here is what the science says:

[i]Medical science can help people affirm their gender identity, but it's not physically possible to change someone's sex.
Explanation
Hormone therapy: Cross-hormone treatment can help people who were assigned male at birth affirm their gender identity as female.
Surgery: Surgery can alter the appearance of breasts and genital organs.
...[text shortened]... simply make permanent changes to the external appearance of the man. He is still a man regardless.

I already showed you that is NOT the medical consensus months ago.

A woman with Swyer syndrome not only has a vagina, but a uterus too. But according to that definition she's not a woman because she's has XY chromosomes. That just isn't accepted medical or even social convention; as I already said when a baby is born we declare it a boy or a girl based on its genitalia and not on any chromosome test.

You and the rest are showing your ignorance and hate in trying to erase the humanity of a tiny minority so that they can be freely discriminated against. Even the right wing SCOTUS didn't go along with that in Bostock v. Clayton County.

@no1marauder said
I already showed you that is NOT the medical consensus months ago.

A woman with Swyer syndrome not only has a vagina, but a uterus too. But according to that definition she's not a woman because she's has XY chromosomes. That just isn't accepted medical or even social convention; as I already said when a baby is born we declare it a boy or a girl based on its gentalia ...[text shortened]... in trying to erase the humanity of a tiny minority so that they can be freely discriminated against.

Can anyone answer my question. I’ve forgotten what it was. You could see it a few clicks back.
So strange, who wants to read this medical thesis by a non-medical person?
Even sun house looks good right about now.

wing SCOTUS didn't go along with that in Bostock v. Clayton County.

Hey,,,,, the proper nomenclature in use today would be…”….SCOTUS didn’t go along with that in Bostock”

just sayin.

And, do you think someone will answer my question?

@no1marauder said
I already showed you that is NOT the medical consensus months ago.

A woman with Swyer syndrome not only has a vagina, but a uterus too. But according to that definition she's not a woman because she's has XY chromosomes. That just isn't accepted medical or even social convention; as I already said when a baby is born we declare it a boy or a girl based on its genitali ...[text shortened]... d against. Even the right wing SCOTUS didn't go along with that in Bostock v. Clayton County.

You are missing a few screws. First, Swyer syndrome is about 1 in 100,000 births. They are the exception, and it is disingenous to try to use an exception to create a general rule. Next, constantly claiming 'hate' from others in a discussion, show that you lack factual rebuttal.

@Rajk999 said
You are missing a few screws. First, Swyer syndrome is about 1 in 100,000 births. They are the exception, and it is disingenous to try to use an exception to create a general rule. Next, constantly claiming 'hate' from others in a discussion, show that you lack factual rebuttal.

A general rule like the one you proposed i.e. "if someone has XY chromosomes then they are a man" doesn't allow for exceptions.

That's why medical science doesn't accept your definition.

@Rajk999 said
You are missing a few screws. First, Swyer syndrome is about 1 in 100,000 births. They are the exception, and it is disingenous to try to use an exception to create a general rule. Next, constantly claiming 'hate' from others in a discussion, show that you lack factual rebuttal.

So what's the verdict: is a person with Swyer syndrome a man or a woman?

Please show your work.

@no1marauder said
So what's the verdict: is a person with Swyer syndrome a man or a woman?

Please show your work.

they are a person with a birth defect…you are truly a fool

@Mott-The-Hoople said
they are a person with a birth defect…you are truly a fool

Assuming Swyer syndrome is a "birth defect" (doubt that's a medical term but whatever), persons born with a "birth defect" still have to be a man or a woman, don't they?

@no1marauder said
A general rule like the one you proposed i.e. "if someone has XY chromosomes then they are a man" doesn't allow for exceptions.

That's why medical science doesn't accept your definition.

What utter nonsense. Of course, every general rule has exceptions. Swyer syndrome is an exception. The person is born with both XY chromosomes [and are therefore male genetically], but develop and appear as girls externally. They are infertile and cannot bear children as they do not produce the required hormones to do so.

Again using a 1 in 100,000 case to establish a general rule justifying sex changes in normal people shows how lame your argument is.

@no1marauder said
Assuming Swyer syndrome is a "birth defect" (doubt that's a medical term but whatever), persons born with a "birth defect" still have to be a man or a woman, don't they?

no, they are a person with a birth defect

they are not normal and are extremely rare...it is delusional to harm the great majority to cater to a miniscule number of defects

@Rajk999 said
What utter nonsense. Of course, every general rule has exceptions. Swyer syndrome is an exception. The person is born with both XY chromosomes [and are therefore male genetically], but develop and appear as girls externally. They are infertile and cannot bear children as they do not produce the required hormones to do so.

Again using a 1 in 100,000 case to establish a general rule justifying sex changes in normal people shows how lame your argument is.

Actually they can bear children with egg implantation.

So is a person with Swyer syndrome a man or a woman?

@no1marauder said
Actually they can bear children with egg implantation.

So is a person with Swyer syndrome a man or a woman?

actually a glass tube can give birth if manipulated

is it a man or woman?

see how stupid your argument is?

@Mott-The-Hoople said
actually a glass tube can give birth if manipulated

is it a man or woman?

see how stupid your argument is?

No, a glass tube can't "give birth".