@Metal-Brain Actually, you are not correct. The Jewish religion is matriarchal, that is, if your mother is Jewish, then you are considered Jewish. But, genetically, of course, if one of your parents was Jewish, then you are Jewish. Please remember that with all of the persecutions that the Jewish people have endured, there were multiple, multiple instances of rape. Of those, there would have been multiple births, I'm sure. And, as a result, a mixing of the DNA and many different types of individuals who could look virtually any which way. It's all genetics.
@lstcyr saidI suspect most people who identify as being Jewish don't have much Jewish DNA at all. Am I right?
@Metal-Brain Actually, you are not correct. The Jewish religion is matriarchal, that is, if your mother is Jewish, then you are considered Jewish. But, genetically, of course, if one of your parents was Jewish, then you are Jewish. Please remember that with all of the persecutions that the Jewish people have endured, there were multiple, multiple instances of rape. Of those, t ...[text shortened]... A and many different types of individuals who could look virtually any which way. It's all genetics.
I don't see the relevance of the matriarchal thing. Mostly because it is just confusing. So if you have a Jewish father you are not really Jewish if your mother is a gentile? And that is religion, not race. All I am concerned about is DNA and how much of it is Jew DNA. Most people in the USA who call themselves Jewish are Christians so they were talking about race, not religion.
I just think people who identify as being Jewish should admit how little Jew DNA they have. It is like they are aspiring to be in a club that they mostly do not belong in. I get the pride in ancestry and all but be honest. It would be like me claiming to be Dutch because I am 5% Dutch. I am mostly English and Irish. If I claimed to be Dutch wouldn't that be mostly dishonest?
@Metal-Brain "I suspect most people who identify as being Jewish don't have much Jewish DNA at all. Am I right?"
Sorry but you are wrong. Most people who identify as Jewish have a majority or more of Jewish DNA, whether Ashkenazi, Sephardi or Mizrahi. I would think it would be pretty rare for a person identifying as Jewish not to have a large amount of Jewish DNA. Of course, you do have the exceptions for people who have converted and they would obviously not have the DNA.
What's the point of your question? Why is it important to you?
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@Metal-Brain saidNot necessarily. Maybe just suspicious.
What is it with all these people calling themselves Jewish that have pale skin and blue eyes? How Jewish can they possibly be?
I suspect most people who identify as being Jewish don't have much Jewish DNA at all. Am I right?
May I ask why this topic would be of any concern to you?
We've had some nice interchanges recently. May I ask where such questions come from, given that you don't seem to be Jewish yourself (according to a post earlier in this thread)?
On my side, I don't mean to present myself as Jewish, although I might have some hidden Jewish ancestry on the Slovak side (or thereabouts), as well as present-day Jewish relatives, and many important Jewish cultural influences along the way.
So, what's it to you, and what's going on with you? Are you okay?
And maybe I could also offer that as time went on, I learned that a lot of East Asians are not yellow or golden toned at all, but many are whiter than white (sometimes even grayish under fluorescent lights) and there has also been something called colorism even within ethnically [maybe that's not the most accurate word] homogeneous societies, with whiter skin meaning upper-class and darker skin meaning lower-class (which is strange, given that pigmentation is an adaptation).
Also, may I ask if you got to see the fireflies in the evening this year? That's something I miss.
@Metal-Brain saidJudaism is a bloody religion. It’s got nothing to do with DNA.
What is it with all these people calling themselves Jewish that have pale skin and blue eyes? How Jewish can they possibly be?
I suspect most people who identify as being Jewish don't have much Jewish DNA at all. Am I right?
Yeah, some people can probably draw a blood line back to the Hebrews who inhabited Palestine from 1000 BC till 550 BC… but that’ll be one in a million or something.
@shavixmir saidI, by the way, can draw my bloodline back to Ghengis Khan. And so can half of bloody Europe.
Judaism is a bloody religion. It’s got nothing to do with DNA.
Yeah, some people can probably draw a blood line back to the Hebrews who inhabited Palestine from 1000 BC till 550 BC… but that’ll be one in a million or something.
Doesn’t mean we’re Mongolian or can shoot arrows horseback.
@lstcyr saidBingo.
@Metal-Brain Actually, you are not correct. The Jewish religion is matriarchal, that is, if your mother is Jewish, then you are considered Jewish. But, genetically, of course, if one of your parents was Jewish, then you are Jewish. Please remember that with all of the persecutions that the Jewish people have endured, there were multiple, multiple instances of rape. Of those, t ...[text shortened]... A and many different types of individuals who could look virtually any which way. It's all genetics.
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@Metal-Brain saidWell, we already know everything is confusing to you.
I suspect most people who identify as being Jewish don't have much Jewish DNA at all. Am I right?
I don't see the relevance of the matriarchal thing. Mostly because it is just confusing. So if you have a Jewish father you are not really Jewish if your mother is a gentile? And that is religion, not race. All I am concerned about is DNA and how much of it is Jew DNA. Mos ...[text shortened]... 5% Dutch. I am mostly English and Irish. If I claimed to be Dutch wouldn't that be mostly dishonest?
This is why you keep making sh-- up.
"All I am concerned about is DNA and how much of it is Jew DNA."
Would you feel better being completely Aryan? Probably.
Being part Jewish isn't going to kill you.
@shavixmir saidJewish identity is also commonly defined through ethnicity. Opinion polls have suggested that the majority of modern Jews see being Jewish as predominantly a matter of ancestry and culture, rather than religion.
Judaism is a bloody religion. It’s got nothing to do with DNA.
Yeah, some people can probably draw a blood line back to the Hebrews who inhabited Palestine from 1000 BC till 550 BC… but that’ll be one in a million or something.
I have a few "friends of the family" that aren't strictly practicing Jews who can trace their heritage back many generations.
So it is both an ethnicity and a religion.
@Suzianne saidI disagree.
Jewish identity is also commonly defined through ethnicity. Opinion polls have suggested that the majority of modern Jews see being Jewish as predominantly a matter of ancestry and culture, rather than religion.
I have a few "friends of the family" that aren't strictly practicing Jews who can trace their heritage back many generations.
So it is both an ethnicity and a religion.
I can see myself as a result of Dutch culture, stretching back to William of Orange.
However, I’m not protestant or Dutch.
I can trace myself back to Northern Ireland, and then catholic Scottish. And yes, when Rangers is playing I hope they lose, but other than that, I’m not Catholic, anti-protestant, pro-IRA or, actually, in any way Scottish.
I think that borders are control mechanisms for the rich, and could’t care less about any of them.
Judaism is a religion. End of (in my humble opinion).
I would not compare my mate Rachel to Seinfeld, Netenyahoo or any other religious person who wishes to define what religion is.
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@shavixmir saidI'm not Jewish, by religion nor by ethnicity. I'm half English, half German. As white as white is.
I disagree.
I can see myself as a result of Dutch culture, stretching back to William of Orange.
However, I’m not protestant or Dutch.
I can trace myself back to Northern Ireland, and then catholic Scottish. And yes, when Rangers is playing I hope they lose, but other than that, I’m not Catholic, anti-protestant, pro-IRA or, actually, in any way Scottish.
I think ...[text shortened]... Rachel to Seinfeld, Netenyahoo or any other religious person who wishes to define what religion is.
I would agree that Judaism is indeed a religion. But what is "Jewish"? Not necessarily a religion.
It's not up to me how they identify. This is just how it is among those called "Jewish". They can "get there" either way, really. But family is family and those who aren't practicing feel they are "more Jewish" than, say, the blond down the street who is a convert. Their Semitism, which some use to identify, comes from genetics. Yes, I agree that Semitic has come to mean religion or language almost exclusively, but then there is also antisemitism which seems to be a racial term.
Sort of how Caucasian no longer refers to people from the Caucasus Mountains.
@Suzianne saidJudaism is, sect, a religion. It’s the first of the Abrahamic religions.
I'm not Jewish, by religion nor by ethnicity. I'm half English, half German. As white as white is.
I would agree that Judaism is indeed a religion. But what is "Jewish"? Not necessarily a religion.
It's not up to me how they identify. This is just how it is among those called "Jewish". They can "get there" either way, really. But family is family and those who a ...[text shortened]... o be a racial term.
Sort of how Caucasian no longer refers to people from the Caucasus Mountains.
Yes. People define themselves as Jews, just as I can define myself as Catholic and protestant (my parents where one of both).
Just because people want to combine culture, heritage, land and religion, doesn’t make it a given.
And just because people identify as something, equally, doesn’t make it so.
Does that mean we have to dis their identities? Of course not.
One has to comprehend, feel and live an identity to actually understand where it’s coming from, what it means, and what it needs.
No argument there, on my part.