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@averagejoe1 saidIf. If you're found sleeping in a place where your beloved Thin Blue Neck-Sitting Line don't want to find you, you'll get before a coroner instead.
When I get before the judge and jury
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@kewpie saidTipping vs. not tipping is not a matter of income disparity or wage fairness. It's simply six of one vs. half a dozen of the other.
I tip when I'm in a poor country, where the person is unlikely to be earning enough to live on. To my mind it's begging forced on poor workers by mean/greedy/poor employers, and inappropriate and patronising, in first-world countries where a decent minimum wage level is mandated. In the case of the US, I can't comment because I don't understand Americans at all.
Either the restaurant charges more and pays waiters more and doesn't ask customers to tip or it pays less, charges less and asks customers to tip. The over-all income to the waiters and profits to the restaurant and price paid by the consumer is ultimately going to be similar.
What tipping does does it make waiter income slightly more variable by subjecting is to fluctuation based on generosity of the customer (luck) and satisfaction with the service (not really luck).
Right now, tipping is "we expect you to tip 15-20%, but you're free to go below or above that number. IME, 15% is pretty much the minimum unless something about the service made you angry. But I've given and seen tips much higher than 20% in some cases.
Short of the waiters having ownership stakes in the business, it's not a bad method to encourage good service. As for restaurants that draw stingy clientele, well, that's going to be a problem between the restaurant and its staff that the restaurant has to figure out a way to manage.
The casting of tipping culture as a moral issue one way or the other ("pay them a living wage and they won't need to tip!" ) misses the point and is a childish way of looking at it.
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@shavixmir said"Should be" is an overused go-to phrase used too much by liberals. It really says nothing. I think that the Border 'should be' extremely restricted by Joe Biden. Shav thinks housing 'should be' a right.
Tipping is pathetic.
The wages should be high enough.
I mean, what is the point in saying that, especially when it is a personal opinion. I think what 'should be' is that a waiter agrees on the formula/wages up front. His choice. Then, he works to score some tips for good service.
If he is scared of the risk (oh my, god forbid risk), then he asks for a wage that may be higher at another place, which does not allow tipping.
Choice, gentlemen. Choice. Methinks Shav would have the government dictate (there's that word) to restaurants to pay a living wage!!!!!!!! Whew.
@sh76 saidI believe cash tipping supports an underground economy where income is received in a form where income tax is evaded. The server's wages would be smoothed out, the responsibility to have a good server would be with the employer (as it should be), the and taxes would be appropriately collected if servers were given an equivalent bump in salary and tips were eliminated.
Tipping vs. not tipping is not a matter of income disparity or wage fairness. It's simply six of one vs. half a dozen of the other.
Either the restaurant charges more and pays waiters more and doesn't ask customers to tip or it pays less, charges less and asks customers to tip. The over-all income to the waiters and profits to the restaurant and price paid by the consumer is ...[text shortened]... living wage and they won't need to tip!" ) misses the point and is a childish way of looking at it.
@quackquack said"I believe cash tipping supports an underground economy where income is received in a form where income tax is evaded."
I believe cash tipping supports an underground economy where income is received in a form where income tax is evaded. The server's wages would be smoothed out, the responsibility to have a good server would be with the employer (as it should be), the and taxes would be appropriately collected if servers were given an equivalent bump in salary and tips were eliminated.
tell that to the divorced mother of three just barely getting by WITH the tips. People like you had rather the politicians get the money so they can give it to places like ukraine so the politicians can get their kickbacks
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@mott-the-hoople saidIn a civilised country, she'd survive on her salary alone. But you neo-con parasites need her to be dependent on your "gratuiry", to keep her in her place.
tell that to the divorced mother of three just barely getting by WITH the tips.
Just pay her a realistic living wage, already.
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@shallow-blue saidits not up to me to decide her pay…but as things are I can give her a gift of my choosing, I have control over that. But you want to take that away and give the tax money from it to the very ones that are not giving her a good wage.
In a civilised country, she'd survive on her salary alone. But you neo-con parasites need her to be dependent on your "gratuiry", to keep her in her place.
Just pay her a realistic living wage, already.
@quackquack saidDoes cash tipping really still exist on a large scale? Every restaurant I've been to in recent memory has simply added the tip to the bill, even when you choose the amount.
I believe cash tipping supports an underground economy where income is received in a form where income tax is evaded. The server's wages would be smoothed out, the responsibility to have a good server would be with the employer (as it should be), the and taxes would be appropriately collected if servers were given an equivalent bump in salary and tips were eliminated.
@shallow-blue saidTell us this about living wage. Mott's example above, a divorced mother of 3. What is a living wage for her and the 3 children.
In a civilised country, she'd survive on her salary alone. But you neo-con parasites need her to be dependent on your "gratuiry", to keep her in her place.
Just pay her a realistic living wage, already.
Now, having answered that, tell us what a similar person, no children, no responsibilities, same job, same age, same hair color.........tell us if she should make the same wage that the mother of 3 makes. Hint....they don't both need the same amount to live on.
You will not answer this question.
@sh76 saidWell, I go more to bars that serve food than restaurants per se but that's not how it works in those establishments in my neck of the woods.
Does cash tipping really still exist on a large scale? Every restaurant I've been to in recent memory has simply added the tip to the bill, even when you choose the amount.
I almost always pay with a card; the server hands you the bill which then has a blank spot for the tip. I do know some people who usually pay cash and they tend to hand over an amount and tell the server to keep the change.
It's considered cheap in my circle not to tip at least 20%; I almost always do 25% and round up to the next dollar.
@mott-the-hoople saidThe same as if you tip cash.
for those that (tip) with your card…how much does the waiter/ress get?