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Sounds like he really was a leftist assassin who killed Kirk for political ideology.
I don't deny it when it's true.
I've only watched 10 minutes of it so far. The above link is an hour long commentary by Michael Franceze a former Cosa Nostra capo who became a wine maker here in California. He's definitely a right winger but he quotes some evidence and it sounds like a straight up left wing political fanatic.
EDIT OK watched the rest of it. Franceze talks a lot about Epstein and Israel and Christianity. This is all interesting but the relevant evidence Franceze brings up happens before 10 minutes.
I guess they really can shoot. The right wingers were wrong!
@AThousandYoung saidEasy shot with good optics, maybe aim with around an inch drop, he was a hunter with his dad growing up. I’ve also read and seen a little that some post from him were made on a site closed and scrubbed now after the assignation called trans queers militia which did look a bunch of dumb asses the way they shot, dressed, and held the guns like they were tough, one with an ak.
Sounds like he really was a leftist assassin who killed Kirk for political ideology.
I don't deny it when it's true.
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I've only watched 10 minutes of it so far. The above link is an hour long commentary by Michael Franceze a former Cosa Nostra capo who became a wine maker here in California. He's def ...[text shortened]... ght up left wing political fanatic.
I guess they really can shoot. The right wingers were wrong!
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@AThousandYoung saidI disagree, the story of breaking down that gun after firing, carrying it in his pants while walking, bs, up to the roof and jumping off with it when it’s not seen in the video seems very off. If broke down going up he would have to re zero in the scope after it’s been put back together with four different tools needed to break the gun down and back together and it’s not fast unless some specialty sniper rifle that folds which it wasn’t. The dad said it was his grandfathers gun. If put together it’s very long would not fit in a back pack and he doesn’t go in the woods after jumping he walks around the parking lot by what looks to be tennis courts then to the road as seen. I wanted to re look at the gun but it’s not on you tube that I could find anymore, just a new one.
I don't believe there was any support for the killer from any larger scale left wing organization so don't go blaming Dems for this.
@mike69 saidYou asholes will blame the easter bunny before thinking about regulating guns
I disagree, the story of breaking down that gun after firing, carrying it in his pants while walking, bs, up to the roof and jumping off with it when it’s not seen in the video seems very off. If broke down going up he would have to re zero in the scope after it’s been put back together with four different tools needed to break the gun down and back together and it’s not fast ...[text shortened]... I wanted to re look at the gun but it’s not on you tube that I could find anymore, just a new one.
@Zahlanzi saidI have post on your last point before, but pull out the suicide death numbers and criminals using them that won’t be regulated regardless and accidental deaths that could be avoided by more gun safety training which I agree with. It’s really only effecting legal owners with background checks (unless their from an individual) that have them for non criminal use.
You asholes will blame the easter bunny before thinking about regulating guns
There are people with no record like above but what are the numbers after backing out suicide and criminals using them in crimes and accidental. I really would strongly advise new gun owners to take gun safety classes first and be all for it, their not toys or forgiving if a mistake is made. Another point is that you as holes want and do defund the police, look at crime deaths.
Now, I wasn’t trying to create more blame, just posting some things about the shooting not adding up for me or off by explanations given. I also didn’t point out the tight clothes he was wearing with no room for the rifle to be under his clothes, walking up stairs normally. The gun would be under his pants, shirt, and backpack because of the length and bulk of the gun the pack wouldn’t be tight to his body like shown but raised a very noticeable amount, that isn’t shown and it doesn’t bend.
@mike69 saidcool story bro. You are saying regulating guns won't get rid of all the gun deaths? This is a brand new argument we have never heard from before. I and the entire left are completely lost as to how we could possibly offer a counter argument to this.
I have post on your last point before, but pull out the suicide death numbers and criminals using them that won’t be regulated regardless and accidental deaths that could be avoided by more gun safety training which I agree with. It’s really only effecting legal owners with background checks (unless their from an individual) that have them for non criminal use.
There are pe ...[text shortened]... ht to his body like shown but raised a very noticeable amount, that isn’t shown and it doesn’t bend.
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@Zahlanzi saidThey are regulated, are you actually saying taking all guns away that are legally owned? So criminals are the only ones that will have them, did you subtract off what I said to for clear reasons. It’s also our right here for reasons, worry about your own tiny country, and government, just Texas is almost three times larger.
cool story bro. You are saying regulating guns won't get rid of all the gun deaths? This is a brand new argument we have never heard from before. I and the entire left are completely lost as to how we could possibly offer a counter argument to this.
@Zahlanzi saidI think if someone wants a gun to kill someone they will get it. Regulations or no regulations makes no difference.
cool story bro. You are saying regulating guns won't get rid of all the gun deaths? This is a brand new argument we have never heard from before. I and the entire left are completely lost as to how we could possibly offer a counter argument to this.
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@Very-Rusty saidWhy have laws? Only law abiding citizens will obey them!
I think if someone wants a gun to kill someone they will get it. Regulations or no regulations makes no difference.
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@Very-Rusty saidwhat do you think would be easier for a nutjob just itching to buy a gun? buying a gun off a guy in a parking lot? or buying a gun off an illegal gun runner, paying 10 times the price and both facing a large prison sentence if caught
I think if someone wants a gun to kill someone they will get it. Regulations or no regulations makes no difference.
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the nutjob wouldn't be able to post a craigslist add or google "where to buy gun now"
what do you think, is it easier to get marijuana now or in the days before it was legalized?
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@mike69 said"They are regulated, are you actually saying taking all guns away that are legally owned? "
They are regulated, are you actually saying taking all guns away that are legally owned? So criminals are the only ones that will have them, did you subtract off what I said to for clear reasons. It’s also our right here for reasons, worry about your own tiny country, and government, just Texas is almost three times larger.
No. You can offer a government buyback. A gradual phaseout. Restricting ammo for large rifles. Mandatory registration. Ban on reselling guns.
Hilarious how every civilized country on earth can deal with these issues that americans are just to darn feeble to do. You can't have free education, the US is different. You can't have universal healthcare the US is just too different. You can't regulate guns, it's too damn hard and you're tired, and you just don't feel like it, and it's too sad, and it's too soon, or too late, what, you want to politicize yet another mass shooting, we can only do thoughts and prayers.
"It’s also our right here for reasons"
Common, say "protect ourselves against a hypothetical tyrannical government", i do so enjoy hearing that comming out of an adult who thinks they're rambo
"worry about your own tiny country"
i don't have to worry about my tiny country, we have gun control. I don't worry i might be shot at the mall because a nutter started firing in the crowd.
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@Zahlanzi saidDid you do what I mentioned with stats, look up the top 30 or 40 countries and ours per 100,000 people, it’s 6. Something with everything included, compared to 30 and up. These other countries have much much lower guns per 120 people to where we’re around 125. and much less deaths. Do you think we will ever be invaded here besides illegal immigration. Will you take back the scamming, thieves from your country that are here. Don’t waste your time responding to me unless you just want to keep being a smart asz man {maybe} child for your own entertainment.it’s also funny your government can have guns for protection but the rest of you can’t protect your families.
"They are regulated, are you actually saying taking all guns away that are legally owned? "
No. You can offer a government buyback. A gradual phaseout. Restricting ammo for large rifles. Mandatory registration. Ban on reselling guns.
Hilarious how every civilized country on earth can deal with these issues that americans are just to darn feeble to do. You can't have f ...[text shortened]... gun control. I don't worry i might be shot at the mall because a nutter started firing in the crowd.
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@Zahlanzi saidYes I do, Convicts can get guns rifles scopes easier than most, but anyone can get one if they want one bad enough to kill someone is what I am saying. They aren't all nut cases but certainly have something wrong in the head, that is for sure.
what do you think would be easier for a nutjob just itching to buy a gun? buying a gun off a guy in a parking lot? or buying a gun off an illegal gun runner, paying 10 times the price and both facing a large prison sentence if caught
the nutjob wouldn't be able to post a craigslist add or google "where to buy gun now"
what do you think, is it easier to get marijuana now or in the days before it was legalized?
I don't believe it is right to kill someone for anything, but I haven't walked in that person's shoes either so don't know where he is coming from or what he has been through in his life, or childhood which which is were the mind is developing.
The kirk killer was only 21 or 22 his brain hasn't even developed yet. Charlie Kirk did say very controversial things and at times did seem like he was promoting hatred. Him and Van Jones of CNN did not like each other and disagreed on most things. If you don't know Van Jones he is black! Van said he would rather be debating with him than seeing him dead, came as a shock to him.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/video/van-jones-charlie-kirk-x-message-ac360-digvid
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