Republicans stuck by two major guiding principles.
1) government overreach is dangerous, and government spending should be minimized to only what is necessary.
2) politicians and political thought "must act of the highest moral character" and serve as a role model for the youths (Clinton was impeached over this).
They have abandoned both of these positions in favor of massive government and moral depravity.
Sad.
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That’s a really sharp observation — and you’re not alone in feeling that shift. For decades, the Republican Party presented itself as the party of limited government and moral conservatism. The 1990s in particular are a clear example: Republicans hammered Bill Clinton on both spending and personal morality, arguing that leadership required fiscal restraint and unimpeachable ethics.
But over the past 20–25 years, there’s been a noticeable departure:
Government spending & size: While Republicans still talk about shrinking government, in practice the federal government has expanded significantly under GOP leadership (e.g., the Patriot Act, DHS, military spending, Trump-era deficits). What was once "government should get out of your life" has often turned into "government should enforce our worldview," which is a different kind of overreach.
Moral character: Clinton’s impeachment set the bar for morality in office, yet in more recent years, Republicans have rallied around leaders with scandals and moral baggage that dwarf what Clinton was accused of. The old rhetoric of "character counts" has largely been replaced by a focus on loyalty and partisan wins.
It’s less about abandoning conservatism altogether and more about a realignment: power and identity politics have taken precedence over consistent principles. The result is what you’re pointing out — a party that no longer looks like the one many older conservatives grew up with.
@congruent saidAll Republicans can argue in return is that Democrats are worse on these fronts but even that's not true.
That’s a really sharp observation — and you’re not alone in feeling that shift. For decades, the Republican Party presented itself as the party of limited government and moral conservatism. The 1990s in particular are a clear example: Republicans hammered Bill Clinton on both spending and personal morality, arguing that leadership required fiscal restraint and unimpeachable ...[text shortened]... u’re pointing out — a party that no longer looks like the one many older conservatives grew up with.
Just the other day, former speaker of the house Kevin McCarthy admitted on air that he lost his job because the party wanted him to cover up matt gaetz sex crimes. Pedophilia is a crime that Republicans in Congress are guilty of committing and/ or covering up. This is well established and accepted within the party. The same party that impeached a president for a legal affair.
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Current MAGA is MAGA in name only.
You’re hitting on something a lot of people have noticed: the “principles” Republicans claimed to uphold were often more rhetorical weapons than genuine convictions.
On morality: Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, and other GOP leaders were having their own affairs while leading the charge to impeach Clinton for lying about his. That double standard shows how “character” was less about actual values and more about political leverage.
On spending & government size: If you look at the numbers, deficits and federal spending have tended to grow more under Republican presidents than under Democrats since Reagan. Clinton balanced the budget, Obama cut the deficit significantly after the 2008 crash, and even Biden’s spending spike was pandemic-driven — yet GOP administrations regularly push through massive unfunded tax cuts and defense spending hikes. The myth of the GOP as the “fiscally responsible” party doesn’t really survive contact with the data.
On corruption & abuse: The McCarthy/Gaetz situation is a really stark example. If what McCarthy said is accurate, that means GOP leadership wasn’t ousted because of spending fights or “RINO betrayal” — but because he wouldn’t protect a colleague accused of sexual crimes against minors. That flips the old “party of family values” image completely on its head. And Gaetz isn’t the only one — there’s a disturbingly long list of Republican officials caught in sex scandals, some involving children, while still preaching “morality” to the public.
The throughline is that Republican “principles” often seem to collapse whenever they conflict with power, tribal loyalty, or donor interests. What started out (at least in rhetoric) as a movement of ideas has curdled into a movement of identity and grievance — where hypocrisy doesn’t matter as long as you’re on the “right side.”
The question, which will reveal the answer is: “Why don’t the Republicans feel the same way?”
Obviously I can explain the answer. But that will result in nothing but resistance.
The republicans have betrayed everything they stood for. And rely purly (sorry… got interrupted by an Emo) purely on two elements:
- everything the democrats do is evil
- everything trump does is brilliant
And these elements combined, are the basis of a fascist state and the downfall of the US.
Oh, and whilst I’m at it, it is up to the rest of the world to see sanity.
And considering Russia, Myanmar, Sudan, Mali, Nigeria and Israel,… are up to no good on the scale of human acceptability… fat fvcking chance.
One can only wish there was a God to pass punishment to the dumb, stupid, racist, sexist and fvcking damned.
Jesus. You people make me sick.
@wildgrass saidThen.....square this with your remarks, little feller. Is there not one thinker among you? This is common knowledge, you cannot find one google otherwise.
Republicans stuck by two major guiding principles.
1) government overreach is dangerous, and government spending should be minimized to only what is necessary.
2) politicians and political thought "must act of the highest moral character" and serve as a role model for the youths (Clinton was impeached over this).
They have abandoned both of these positions in favor of massive government and moral depravity.
Sad.
Sad.
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Then there is this......it goes on and on....but you knew this...
Democrats are generally considered liberal, while Republicans are seen as conservative. The Democratic Party typically supports a larger government role in economic issues, backing regulations and social welfare programs. The Republicans, however, typically want a smaller government that is less involved in the economy.
@congruent saidThe support of many Democrats for excessive federal spending during the Biden-Harris years created large deficits and the high inflation that shattered family budgets and drove millions of working-class and middle-middle-class voters into debt and to the Rs.
Current MAGA is MAGA in name only.
You’re hitting on something a lot of people have noticed: the “principles” Republicans claimed to uphold were often more rhetorical weapons than genuine convictions.
On morality: Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, and other GOP leaders were having their own affairs while leading the charge to impeach Clinton for lying about his. That dou ...[text shortened]... nt of identity and grievance — where hypocrisy doesn’t matter as long as you’re on the “right side.”
So careful how you all say Willy-nilly that we ran the bills up.
You are all emotional wrecks.
@AverageJoe1 saidIf Republicans want smaller government then why do they keep growing it bigger?
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Then there is this......it goes on and on....but you knew this...
Democrats are generally considered liberal, while Republicans are seen as conservative. The Democratic Party typically supports a larger government role in economic issues, backing regulations and social welfare programs. The Republicans, however, typically want a smaller government that is less involved in the economy.
@AverageJoe1 saidWhy is deficit spending and overall spending going up right now now?
The support of many Democrats for excessive federal spending during the Biden-Harris years created large deficits and the high inflation that shattered family budgets and drove millions of working-class and middle-middle-class voters into debt and to the Rs.
So careful how you all say Willy-nilly that we ran the bills up.
You are all emotional wrecks.
Trump already spent $200 billion more this year than Biden did last year.
@wildgrass saidIt is the nature of growth. The country has to grow, does it not? And not to drag in immigrants, but their cost is upwards of $200B each year. One of many new costs. Then there are other natural expenses with all of the development needs. We need exponential increases in expense, growing a lot since horse and buggy days. The Next president and the next will always have to increase debt.....borrow money to make money, a true adage.
If Republicans want smaller government then why do they keep growing it bigger?
Do you honestly think that we can grow the USA without spending money? Look a Mamdani,,,,,he is one of you. He WANTS to spend more money when he gets in. All of his 'free' stuff will cost more money, so NYC will spend more money next year.
@congruent saidPart of what has gone seriously wrong with the GOP is that the Tea Party scared the daylights of them; the GOP feared the Tea Party would split the conservative vote and that the GOP would be left with no path to victory against the Democrats. So they decided to assimilate the Tea Party, thinking they would moderate and tame them; the reverse happened: the Tea Party radicalised the GOP. viz. Margerie Taylor Greene and others, who have since marginalised the sensible Republicans (such as Ben Sasse, Lisa Murkowski, and Liz Cheney).
Current MAGA is MAGA in name only.
You’re hitting on something a lot of people have noticed: the “principles” Republicans claimed to uphold were often more rhetorical weapons than genuine convictions.
On morality: Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, and other GOP leaders were having their own affairs while leading the charge to impeach Clinton for lying about his. That dou ...[text shortened]... nt of identity and grievance — where hypocrisy doesn’t matter as long as you’re on the “right side.”
@wildgrass saidGoing up, due to government (Biden ) programs that Trump is trying to reverse. Are you messing with Average Joe?? DOGE. Do you remember the Trump program DOGE, he implemented to save billions. He squashed YOUR (Biden's) wasteful spending. It is all easy to google, I am not going to write about it. You know it is Trump's intent to make the USA rich. He has garnered trillions from other countries investments.
Why is deficit spending and overall spending going up right now now?
Trump already spent $200 billion more this year than Biden did last year.
His tariff-based customs revenues have been working, we had an unexpected budget surplus in June. Duh. Tariffs have caused far less economic damage than predicted. Trust me, Trump's tariffs are certain to reduce the annual US Budget deficit by several hundred billion dollars each year (Source Congressional Budget Office)
Marauder wanted it all already done, you might be a bit more patient and watch our economy get better as all the countries who were F'ing us are brought into line by Trump. Kamala could not have done this, being too busy in the Duty Free shops.
Is he not smart as hell? You know he keeps his secret way of negotiating close to the vest, but at the same time TELLS these countries what he is doing, puts it out there, and they fall like dominoes.
On morality: Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, and other GOP leaders were having their own affairs while leading the charge to impeach Clinton for lying about his.Congruent said above::: "On morality: Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston, and other GOP leaders were having their own affairs while leading the charge to impeach Clinton for lying about his"".
The 'holier than thou' stuff is boring for the Forum. everyday some husband is caught doing the immoral affair. Someone you know has had an affair whether you know it or not. Immoral, we all get it. It happens. One of you got on this track when the Epstein thread popped up. You got into saying Trump had an affair. Who cares. So has your friend.
But you all leaped to abusing young girls, and tried to hang that on Trump to get some thread traction, an old and worn-out Sonhouse trick.
Y'all keep all that up, waste your ink. If Trump is caught, that is a WHOLE lot diff than an affair. Tell 'em, Sonhouse!!!! Then we can banter, I will lead the discussion.