@AverageJoe1 saidI know you can wrap yourself in knots over justifying that. But it's much much simpler.
""Yeah nice try it's on page 1 of the 105,000 word starr report. They subpoenaed a sitting president in order to ask him about a steamy BJ.""
You leave the issue again, just like Sue did when saying my post was about comparing jews with criminals, when it was about comparing Hitler to Trump. Amazing y'all don't get issues. That is the first insruction in law school, r ...[text shortened]... . They would hardly get after him on a national level for an affair. Would they? Maybe I'm wrong.
He was impeached for lying about a BJ.
@wildgrass said"He was impeached for lying about a BJ."...DURING HIS RAPE TRIAL
I know you can wrap yourself in knots over justifying that. But it's much much simpler.
He was impeached for lying about a BJ.
there, finished it for you
@Mott-The-Hoople saidThanks, Mott. I am busy trying to teach Keith that Donald will have a few bumps along the way as he brings us out of the hell of Biden. Takes a while to cancel all that the old man did.....or, that someone did. Someone else was running this country, prob his evil wife, and the libs here have never remarked about it.
"He was impeached for lying about a BJ."...DURING HIS RAPE TRIAL
there, finished it for you
@Mott-The-Hoople saidYeah. You again called me a liar and then subsequently admit I was correct.
"He was impeached for lying about a BJ."...DURING HIS RAPE TRIAL
there, finished it for you
@wildgrass saidi call you a liar because you did and still are.
Yeah. You again called me a liar and then subsequently admit I was correct.
clinton was not impeached because of an affair.
no wonder some man talked you out of your self respect.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidYou parse words to hide truth.
i call you a liar because you did and still are.
clinton was not impeached because of an affair.
no wonder some man talked you out of your self respect.
Concealing an affair, maybe that would be the most accurate description for why he was impeached. Congress wasted tax dollars serving as a marriage counselor for the Clinton's. The investigation was a sham from the start.
Despite what you say about perjury, the fact of the matter was that Clinton's adultery was what the Republicans tried him on. It is disingenuous to act like that wasn't the case and try to rewrite history...especially in light of so many of the GOP's "leaders" being guilty of much worse.
"[ken] Starr also claimed he was wrong to have called for impeachment against Clinton for abuse of executive privilege and efforts to obstruct Congress, and stated that the House Judiciary Committee was right in 1998 to have rejected one of the planks for impeachment he had advocated for."
Overzealous prosecution of an extramarital affair is what got Clinton impeached. Plain and simple. After admitting how wrong he was, Ken Starr should have given taxpayers their money back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
@wildgrass said😂
"[ken] Starr also claimed he was wrong to have called for impeachment against Clinton for abuse of executive privilege and efforts to obstruct Congress, and stated that the House Judiciary Committee was right in 1998 to have rejected one of the planks for impeachment he had advocated for."
Overzealous prosecution of an extramarital affair is what got Clinton impeached. P ...[text shortened]... ave given taxpayers their money back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
Pitiful fool
@Mott-The-Hoople saidClinton was impeached for an affair. If that's a lie, tell that to all the people who voted for his impeachment.
i call you a liar because you did and still are.
clinton was not impeached because of an affair.
no wonder some man talked you out of your self respect.
@moonbus saidCounterpoint: The tea party didn't do anything. They were not prepared for Washington. The only person in that group who took fiscal responsibility seriously in that group was Paul Ryan, and Trump ran him out of Washington for trying to cut spending.
Part of what has gone seriously wrong with the GOP is that the Tea Party scared the daylights of them; the GOP feared the Tea Party would split the conservative vote and that the GOP would be left with no path to victory against the Democrats. So they decided to assimilate the Tea Party, thinking they would moderate and tame them; the reverse happened: the Tea Party radicalis ...[text shortened]... ave since marginalised the sensible Republicans (such as Ben Sasse, Lisa Murkowski, and Liz Cheney).
All the others fell in line to favor government spending.
@wildgrass saidHistory of the Tea Party
Counterpoint: The tea party didn't do anything. They were not prepared for Washington. The only person in that group who took fiscal responsibility seriously in that group was Paul Ryan, and Trump ran him out of Washington for trying to cut spending.
All the others fell in line to favor government spending.
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/williamson/files/tea_party_pop_0.pdf
This is old, 2011, but still relevant for how it got going and to whom it appealed (low-tax, anti-regulation -- just what Project 2025 is advocating and Trump is doing).
Below is a link to a more recent article linking Trump's administration to the trail blazed by the Tea Party:
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/21/1100386445/trumps-maga-is-marching-down-a-trail-blazed-by-the-tea-party
People don't use the term Tea Party anymore, but the agenda they formulated informs both Project 2025 and Trump's agenda.
Trump was onboard at inception, as much of what the original Tea Party was about was opposition to Obama's Affordable Health Care. The Tea Party also claimed Obama was not the legitimate president, being foreign, a topic Trump picked up and amplified.
quote from the second article:
Trump did not try to claim the mantle of previous Republican presidents. He did not woo the Republicans' party elites or major donors. He had no previous government experience and regarded that as an asset. He never really claimed the Tea Party label, but as he became increasingly visible as a candidate during Obama's second term, he co-opted much of the Tea Party agenda and schedule of grievances.
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And here a more recent article, claims that the Tea Party triggered Kevin McCarthy's downfall.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/05/mcarthy-tea-party-theda-skocpol-00120009
quote:
Although The tea party ... no longer formally exists as a faction in Congress, its erstwhile allies having been subsumed into the far-right Freedom Caucus or into the generic “America First” wing of the GOP. But according to Skocpol, the history of the tea party remains essential to understanding the forces that ultimately led to McCarthy’s political demise.
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Their agenda of obstructionism, low-tax, and anti-regulation is still very much active in the re-modelled GOP, they just don't call themselves the Tea Party anymore.
@moonbus said😂
History of the Tea Party
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/williamson/files/tea_party_pop_0.pdf
This is old, 2011, but still relevant for how it got going and to whom it appealed (low-tax, anti-regulation -- just what Project 2025 is advocating and Trump is doing).
Below is a link to a more recent article linking Trump's administration to the trail blazed by the Tea ...[text shortened]... till very much active in the re-modelled GOP, they just don't call themselves the Tea Party anymore.
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@wildgrass saidI'm not sure that's true. They'd still like to massively cut social spending and privatize Social Security, but know it would be political suicide to do so.
Republicans stuck by two major guiding principles.
1) government overreach is dangerous, and government spending should be minimized to only what is necessary.
2) politicians and political thought "must act of the highest moral character" and serve as a role model for the youths (Clinton was impeached over this).
They have abandoned both of these positions in favor of massive government and moral depravity.
Sad.
They may well have believed that massive tax cuts that mostly benefited the wealthy would lead to such economic growth that the increased tax revenue would reduce or even eliminate the budget deficit but the real world experience of the Reagan tax cuts popped that balloon. Once it came to lower taxes for the wealthy v. reducing the deficit, their choice was preordined.