@no1marauder saidI'm not sure that's true. Some of the largest social welfare programs in the past 25 years were championed and passed by Republicans, or they were passed by Dems but it was a republican idea.
I'm not sure that's true. They'd still like to massively cut social spending and privatize Social Security, but know it would be political suicide to do so.
They may well have believed that massive tax cuts that mostly benefited the wealthy would lead to such economic growth that the increased tax revenue would reduce or even eliminate the budget deficit but the real w ...[text shortened]... n. Once it came to lower taxes for the wealthy v. reducing the deficit, their choice was preordined.
Medicare part D, Obamacare, and the paycheck protection plan come to mind.
@wildgrass saidYou must be joking - Republicans took about a zillion votes in Congress to kill the ACA.
I'm not sure that's true. Some of the largest social welfare programs in the past 25 years were championed and passed by Republicans, or they were passed by Dems but it was a republican idea.
Medicare part D, Obamacare, and the paycheck protection plan come to mind.
@no1marauder saidAnd they are still trying,
You must be joking - Republicans took about a zillion votes in Congress to kill the ACA.
@no1marauder saidI know it's a perception vs reality thing.
You must be joking - Republicans took about a zillion votes in Congress to kill the ACA.
@wildgrass saidThe republicans are immoral. If I'm lying i'm dying.
Republicans stuck by two major guiding principles.
1) government overreach is dangerous, and government spending should be minimized to only what is necessary.
2) politicians and political thought "must act of the highest moral character" and serve as a role model for the youths (Clinton was impeached over this).
They have abandoned both of these positions in favor of massive government and moral depravity.
Sad.
Anyway, this ridiculous observation by Wildgrass implies that he is the guru of immorality.....he KNOWS what it is , when in fact, as the guru of common sense, logic and rationale, I submit that it is TOTALLY subjective, rendering his post fruitless and without meaning, one cannot even comment on it. And he says that (all) repubs are immoral. My, my, what a blanket observation. He doesn't mention democrats
For instance, see this link of the two people running for AGen of VA,... the Dem is an obvious fascist, for saying what he did about azzasonating his republican opponent. There it is in black and white, 100% immoral. See the womanizing rapist Clinton. See dems taking money from citizens to give to other citizens. How about raising taxes on rich, which undermines America's successful investment infrastructure that rewards investment here in the US. THAT is immoral in itself. Let's see him define morality, although all he will do is tell us that Trump has been accused of a lot of things "Arrest him now, and we will dig and find something. he has done". (Latetia James, DA)
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/democrat-virginia-attorney-general-race-apologizes-2022-texts-126222308
@AverageJoe1 saidThe "moral depravity" was a side note in the post, mostly added because the leaders of the party are philanderers and unapologetically blasphemous, but nevertheless you chose to focus on it.
The republicans are immoral. If I'm lying i'm dying.
Anyway, this ridiculous observation by Wildgrass implies that he is the guru of immorality.....he KNOWS what it is , when in fact, as the guru of common sense, logic and rationale, I submit that it is TOTALLY subjective, rendering his post fruitless and without meaning, one cannot even comment on it. And he says that ...[text shortened]... /abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/democrat-virginia-attorney-general-race-apologizes-2022-texts-126222308
What about the two main principles that Republicans have abandoned in favor of trump? That was the crux of it.
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@wildgrass saidThis. post has no meat, you are not saying anything, and you certainlly do not respond to your comment that repubs are immoral. OK, 'Dems are immoral". Now, go from there. Geez. Remember, you find it moral to force taxpayers to pay for abortions, for god sakes.
The "moral depravity" was a side note in the post, mostly added because the leaders of the party are philanderers and unapologetically blasphemous, but nevertheless you chose to focus on it.
What about the two main principles that Republicans have abandoned in favor of trump? That was the crux of it.
To take a natural (pay attention, Marauder) baby from the natural womb of its mother is not moral, little feller. You can say....'o, no , it is not a baby till born.' But if it can be removed from her and be a baby at 28 weeks, it is a baby. I can define such slaughter as immoral. Moral, Wildgrass?
So, take it from there.
And your post said nothing. Get some coffee.
"Hey, Average Joe...Its Payday!!! I love Fridays. What you gonna do with your $1000? " "Well, I am going to get groceries, rent, pay some bills, and have to send $50 over to the city hall, they are taxing everyone $50/month to go into an abortion fund." "No telling what they will want from us next". "But this one just does not feel right. Hard to sleep at night'". "Yeah, I think Mayor Sonhouse has gone too far."
@AverageJoe1 saidMy post had nothing to do with Democrats. It was about the fact that Republicans used to at least claim to represent traditional family values and morality, and now their leaders are philanderers, blasphemous liars who brag about deficit spending almost as much as they brag about cheating on their taxes and wives.
This. post has no meat, you are not saying anything, and you certainlly do not respond to your comment that repubs are immoral. OK, 'Dems are immoral". Now, go from there. Geez. Remember, you find it moral to force taxpayers to pay for abortions, for god sakes.
To take a natural (pay attention, Marauder) baby from the natural womb of its mother is not moral, ...[text shortened]... ral. Moral, Wildgrass?
So, take it from there.
And your post said nothing. Get some coffee.
It doesn't even resemble the 1990s republican party at all.
@wildgrass saidHYour post does indeed say this is highlighiting a party. Y'all give us republicans headaches with your roundabouts, we truly have no built-in ability to interpret your posts. I do not know what the sentence means, and it certainly mentions 'the party. Help me Rhonda.
My post had nothing to do with Democrats. It was about the fact that Republicans used to at least claim to represent traditional family values and morality, and now their leaders are philanderers, blasphemous liars who brag about deficit spending almost as much as they brag about cheating on their taxes and wives.
It doesn't even resemble the 1990s republican party at all.
""mostly added because the leaders of " the party" are philanderers and unapologetically blasphemous, but nevertheless you chose to focus on it."
Did you just type this sentence? Best to just star over and do a good post
@AverageJoe1 saidOf course in politics you need diversity. You need the fiscal conservatives and the liberals. You need hawks and doves to execute coherent foreign policy.
HYour post does indeed say this is highlighiting a party. Y'all give us republicans headaches with your roundabouts, we truly have no built-in ability to interpret your posts. I do not know what the sentence means, and it certainly mentions 'the party. Help me Rhonda.
""mostly added because the leaders of " the party" are philanderers and unapologetically blasphemou ...[text shortened]... e to focus on it."
Did you just type this sentence? Best to just star over and do a good post
But when the fiscal conservatives are only pretending? There's no point comparing to the other party, Republicans abandoned their own principles.
@wildgrass saidYou are quite too much general. How can you say we abandon money-saving when he was just wild to institute DOGE??? and get this link....You make us conservatives (,,defined 'dont spend money"...'Conserve'😉 work too hard, but i did pull this up. You prob already knew it, as ou stir the pot!!
Of course in politics you need diversity. You need the fiscal conservatives and the liberals. You need hawks and doves to execute coherent foreign policy.
But when the fiscal conservatives are only pretending? There's no point comparing to the other party, Republicans abandoned their own principles.
'''The 2025 House Republican budget, for example, aimed for at least $1.5 trillion in cuts over 10 years, with minimum targets assigned to various committees. Specific targets included:
$880 billion from the Energy and Commerce Committee.
$330 billion from the Education and Workforce Committee.
$230 billion from the Agriculture Committee.
Health and welfare programs: Proposals have included cuts to Medicaid, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), student loan assistance, and programs providing health coverage under the Affordable Care Act.
Regulatory agencies: Budget plans have also proposed deep cuts to agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Efficiency measures: Attempts to reduce costs have also included proposals to rescind unobligated COVID-19 funding and curb federal employee benefits.
Tax policies
Republican tax policies are a key component of their fiscal strategy, though critics contend they increase the deficit rather than create savings.
"One Big Beautiful Bill" (2025): This legislation, signed by President Trump, permanently extended many provisions of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA).
Savings accounts: The bill created "Trump Accounts," which seed savings accounts with public money for babies.
Tax credits and deductions: It established temporary new deductions, such as for tips, overtime pay, and auto loan interest.
Wealthy benefits: Critics argue that the bill disproportionately benefits the wealthy through provisions like extending individual tax cuts and increasing the estate tax exemption. The bill is projected to add trillions to the federal deficit over a decade.
Tax cut methodology: In 2025, Republicans used a controversial budget methodology to frame some tax cuts as revenue generators, enabling them to lower taxes while appearing to offset the cost.
Deregulation
Republicans have pursued deregulation as a way to reduce government spending and promote economic growth.
Energy costs: The "Lower Energy Costs Act," supported in a 2025 budget plan by the Republican Study Committee, sought to reduce energy costs by repealing Inflation Reduction Act subsidies.
Financial agencies: Efforts have been made to eliminate federal agencies, such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the Federal Insurance Office.
Methods for reducing assistance
Some Republican proposals have also used increased administrative burdens as a way to reduce spending on social programs.
Expanded work requirements: Proposals have targeted Medicaid and food assistance recipients with more restrictive work requirements, which can cause large numbers of eligible people to lose benefits.
Frequent recertification: Some proposals would increase the frequency of recertification for programs like Medicaid, adding to paperwork and administrative hurdles for beneficiaries.
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Sep 2, 2024 — That agenda features: * Policies that raise costs and take away health coverage, food assistance, and other help aff...
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That's enough. And hey, as long s there is that diversity you speak of????? It will never be perfect.
@AverageJoe1 saidDOGE didn't save money. That is a well documented fact. Spending is way up compared to 2024. Your list is smoke and mirrors.
You are quite too much general. How can you say we abandon money-saving when he was just wild to institute DOGE??? and get this link....You make us conservatives (,,defined 'dont spend money"...'Conserve'😉 work too hard, but i did pull this up. You prob already knew it, as ou stir the pot!!
'''The 2025 House Republican budget, for example, aimed for at least $1.5 tr ...[text shortened]... 's enough. And hey, as long s there is that diversity you speak of????? It will never be perfect.
@AverageJoe1 saidOne among many examples of DOGE making a "cut" that cost more money than it saved.
You are quite too much general. How can you say we abandon money-saving when he was just wild to institute DOGE??? and get this link....You make us conservatives (,,defined 'dont spend money"...'Conserve'😉 work too hard, but i did pull this up. You prob already knew it, as ou stir the pot!!
'''The 2025 House Republican budget, for example, aimed for at least $1.5 tr ...[text shortened]... 's enough. And hey, as long s there is that diversity you speak of????? It will never be perfect.
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
DOGE effectively shuttered an agency which returned over $26 billion to the American people since 2011, but only cost taxpayers a fraction of that amount to run.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/doges-big-illusion-the-heavy-costs-of-the-trump-administrations-so-called-efficiency/