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Obama gave those people a lot of money and they used it for terrorism.
Obama also said they could build nuclear power, knowing they would try to build a nuke and they did try.
Any deal Trump makes with Iran is better than that mouthpiece do nothing Obama.
The Iranian people are actually happy Trump took out the dictator. The forum people here, don't care about their suffering.
They just want cheap gas and they have Trump derangement syndrome.
@kmax87 saidUnder Obama the following groups of people who clearly you brainless Aussies support ...
At this point if a ceasefire holds and the Israeli's leave Lebanon alone, the oil will flow. But Trump has to lift sanctions and pay back billions for the damage caused.
In the final analysis what has Trump's war achieved and is America better off because of it?
- terrorists,
- drug dealers sending fentanyl to the US
- Muslims who raped and murdered Christians in Nigeria and Congo,
- dictators in Venezuela and in Iran, who abused and killed their people
- Islamic regimes who were stockpiling weapons grade plutonium
- Iranian terrorist proxies like Hexbollah, Houthis and Hamas...
..were all very happy.
Now thankfully, they are on the run and are endangered, and you are complaining. Get your head out of Obamas butt.
@PuzZuLz saidListen to more than State Propaganda Fox News occasionally. Part of the deal for Iran is the US agreeing to lift sanctions and help rebuild bombed out Tehran to the tune of billions. No doubt Fox will be talking up Trump's brilliance for regaining his balance after stepping on his own balls, but you should try and find News that reports on a broader perspective than just what makes Trump happy.
@kmax87
Iranian oil will pay to rebuild Iran itself.
LoL you said Trump has to 🤣
@Rajk999 saidYou say subjectively that they are on the run, but Iran got everything they wanted from this deal and the US got nothing.
Under Obama the following groups of people who clearly you brainless Aussies support ...
- terrorists,
- drug dealers sending fentanyl to the US
- Muslims who raped and murdered Christians in Nigeria and Congo,
- dictators in Venezuela and in Iran, who abused and killed their people
- Islamic regimes who were stockpiling weapons grade plutonium
- Iranian te ...[text shortened]... they are on the run and are endangered, and you are complaining. Get your head out of Obamas butt.
@Rajk999 saidHere's a whataboutism. In the 19th century the world's biggest narco terrorist was Britain. They wanted Chinese tea and the Chinese demanded silver for tea. Britain got sick of paying silver for tea and worked out they could get their silver back by selling opium to the Chinese which worked out well, so they used that silver to buy tea which caused a lovely little trade triangle. Buy tea with silver sell opium for silver, buy more tea. Really great until the Chinese say hey stop you're making addicts out of our people and they are dying. And the British go, ok, we'll just steal your plants and turn India into a tea plantation.
Under Obama the following groups of people who clearly you brainless Aussies support ...
- terrorists,
- drug dealers sending fentanyl to the US
- Muslims who raped and murdered Christians in Nigeria and Congo,
- dictators in Venezuela and in Iran, who abused and killed their people
- Islamic regimes who were stockpiling weapons grade plutonium
And then you know those same exploitative techniques get taken up in the 20th century by the British and their American cousins in the middle east with oil. And then once the oil was sorted predominantly in favour of British and American corporations, what happened next? Cocaine the drug of choice. Sponsored by whose money exactly? Sure there were South American drug lords who were extremely powerful and influential, but who were the real gatekeepers of the drugs? Rhetorical question. And then Russia had its own Vietnam moment in Afghanistan, and the US came to the rescue and if you really analyse what happened next, how did the Taliban and Isis really come into existence if not for US betrayal in the region. And what was the drug that Afghanistan produced more than anyone else? Opium.
So say what you want to say, but the current crop of terrorists really got their start as a reaction to US/Western influence. There is a class of people in the world that could care less about ordinary folk like us. Look at the Sackler family that basically got a generation of Americans hooked on opiods. Oxy. And when you have a large population hooked whats the next step?
Fentanyl.
And who are the biggest suppliers of the precursor chemicals to Fentanyl??
China. China is the chief source of chemicals that make fentanyl. And all the networks that distributed drugs for Western money is now turned 180 and being used against the West. It's funny how kharma works. Right?
You ever heard the expression "your chickens will come home to roost" . Well there you have it. Look at every terror group, every bad actor on the planet and at some point in their past you will find they were double crossed by British/American/Western Corporate malfeasance. Period.
So if you do not want to see the arc of most stories and you only want to focus on the bit that makes you feel better, go ahead. It won't change the complexity of the issue, you jumping up and down going ra ra the west uber alles. Champion your populist if you must, demonise those who were once victims of Western "diplomacy" but don't expect things to improve or get any better, thinking that just because you have managed to sweep the past under the rug, the rest of the world has.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidWhy would anyone hope for an Iran with a nuclear weapon and $7/gallon gas?
You truly hope there is no deal don’t you?
We used to have people who knew what they were doing on the negotiation front. I think there's legit issues with the competency of govt officials (actually real estate conmen) to get the job done.
@wildgrass said"Why would anyone hope for an Iran with a nuclear weapon and $7/gallon gas?'
Why would anyone hope for an Iran with a nuclear weapon and $7/gallon gas?
We used to have people who knew what they were doing on the negotiation front. I think there's legit issues with the competency of govt officials (actually real estate conmen) to get the job done.
my point exactly...now explain why since you and other libs are doing it.
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidThe criticism is not over the end goal. I think everyone would be happy with Obama's deal.
"Why would anyone hope for an Iran with a nuclear weapon and $7/gallon gas?'
my point exactly...now explain why since you and other libs are doing it.
But you can't get that with the current methods of this administration. It's almost impossible to hire a bunch of real estate shysters to convince a fundamentalist government to lay down their arms. They're sending kindergartners to a high school spelling bee.
@kmax87 saidNobody cares about your history. In this present time, everything I posted is factual and it is what matters. You can wallow in your historical nonsense [which is did not bother to read in detail or verify ... I dont care]. The world has a problem with extremists Islam and with dictators. They need to die, and Trump is contributing to that. Anyone who does anything different is an enemy of the world.
Here's a whataboutism. In the 19th century the world's biggest narco terrorist was Britain. They wanted Chinese tea and the Chinese demanded silver for tea. Britain got sick of paying silver for tea and worked out they could get their silver back by selling opium to the Chinese which worked out well, so they used that silver to buy tea which caused a lovely little trade triang ...[text shortened]... king that just because you have managed to sweep the past under the rug, the rest of the world has.