Originally posted by gpb0216What I had in mind was that many 'old style' terrorist groups had a goal of independence (IRA, Basque ETA) or establishing a new government. As far as I can tell, there are now groups that want to destroy a system of government without any clear goal of replacing it with something else.
Originally posted by STANG
[b]1. Exactly which terrorist groups only intend to cause mayhem?
All of them. By definition, terrorist groups exist to cause mayhem.
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Originally posted by DelmerYou are what the dictionary refers to as a "Warmonger".
I've never felt threatened by anyone, darv. But I have no problem with war. War seems to be part of the natural order of things.
Delmer: "War seems to be part of the natural order of things."
And this justifies the invasion of Iraq? I've seen stronger arguments in RBHill's spirituality threads.
Originally posted by orfeogenerally the "something else" is themselves ...
What I had in mind was that many 'old style' terrorist groups had a goal of independence (IRA, Basque ETA) or establishing a new government. As far as I can tell, there are now groups that want to destroy a system of government without any clear goal of replacing it with something else.
Originally posted by darvlayWell, that's not going to make the people in Buffalo feel safer, darv. And here I am in Michigan, which is being attacked by garbage from Toronto.
The al-Samed 2 long range missile has a range of approximately 180 km. The distance from my house in Toronto to Buffalo, NY. The Iraqi government was also in the midst of destroying the missiles until the US invaded, disrupting the process.
And we are well aware of the incredibly amassed quantities of WMDs Iraq had, that point need not be brought up. ...[text shortened]... ld you please qualify it? And do you feel safe now that the US has rid Iraq of its evil empire?
Originally posted by gpb0216No, I am saying they would have a lot of trouble convincing the seller.
Are you saying that terrorists would not purchase chemical weapons with which to murder Americans because their source of supply would be a secular government?
You are very naive.
YOU'RE naive to think that a secular government wouldn't hesitate to sell chemical weapons to someone who would quite like to bring down that government! "Oh, you want to use these against the Americans, but you promise not to use any against us? Oh, okay, we believe you, here you go". Yeah, right!
You're also extremely Americo-centric to think that everything is about you. Guess what? There are other people fighting each other, it's not always about being America's friend or America's enemy. My whole point was these people have other battles to fight amongst themselves as well.
They are not all allied against you, they fight you separately. Big difference.
Originally posted by darvlaySaddam justified the invasion of Iraq. Don't you think war is part of the natural order of things, darv? Do you think it's unnatural? Seems like it's been around since the beginning of history and there are always a bunch in progress at any given time.
You are what the dictionary refers to as a "Warmonger".
Delmer: "War seems to be part of the natural order of things."
And this justifies the invasion of Iraq? I've seen stronger arguments in RBHill's spirituality threads.
Originally posted by darvlayWell, I in turn apologize for having a state government that allows it to cross the border. However, we do have a Canadian governor now so it's not likely to end anytime soon. However, in all fairness to her, the garbage was coming in long before she took office.
And I humbly apologize for that situation. Honestly!
Originally posted by DelmerOriginally posted by Delmer
Saddam justified the invasion of Iraq. Don't you think war is part of the natural order of things, darv? Do you think it's unnatural? Seems like it's been around since the beginning of history and there are always a bunch in progress at any given time.
Saddam justified the invasion of Iraq.
Okay, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and agree that Saddam was the head of a murderous regime. Next question: When can I expect the US to begin systematically wiping out the rest of the murderous regimes across the world? Did someone say 'Never'? Correct! There was a (not-so) hidden agenda behind this war and that simple fact alone makes this particular war atrocious and repulsive in my view. The fact that there are those like what's-his-face and zeeblebrox on the last page who talk BS about feeling threatened with harm by the people of Iraq really irks me to no end because it is flat-out ridiculous.
Don't you think war is part of the natural order of things, darv? Do you think it's unnatural? Seems like it's been around since the beginning of history and there are always a bunch in progress at any given time.
I think it's unnatural for a civilization like ours that no longer has the need for conquest or for spreading the word of God by the sword. In Africa, there is mind-blowing devastation occurring through civil wars, anarchy, famine and poverty (due to unfair standards and corrupt regimes) so it is understandable why the majority of the current conflicts on our planet are centralised there. Why doesn't the US go there to spread "freedom"? Don't they need it the most?
Originally posted by darvlay"The Iraqi government was also in the midst of destroying the missiles until the US invaded, disrupting the process."
The al-Samed 2 long range missile has a range of approximately 180 km. The distance from my house in Toronto to Buffalo, NY. The Iraqi government was also in the midst of destroying the missiles until the US invaded, disrupting the process.
And we are well aware of the incredibly amassed quantities of WMDs Iraq had, that point need not be brought up. ...[text shortened]... ld you please qualify it? And do you feel safe now that the US has rid Iraq of its evil empire?
TOO LATE! they had chance after chance ... France's involvement in shipping explosives to Iraq didn't give the opposition much credibility ...
a government that had materials, a motive, the will, and a record of obfuscation on their programs, is gone ... more better safer now ...
if Canada was embarked on a campaign to develop WMD's would you entrust a small team of inspectors to find it, if Canada willed not? South Africa's weapons weren't found by inspectors, they were hidden and given up voluntarily before the inspectors were invited in to inspect.
Originally posted by darvlaynothing wrong with being an immigrant ... we were all or our ancestors were all of them immigrants ... except for those of us living in olduvai gorge, and even those could be roundtrippers ...
Why do you assume I'm an immigrant?
I'd like to say it's most likely because you're a piece of white trash who feels they have a god-given right to plundered land, but I wouldn't want to assume. 😉
Originally posted by darvlayGood grief, darv, given the amount of flak and lack of help that we're getting from the rest of the world over Iraq why would we even consider taking out another murderous regime? And before we go too far down this road, darv, let me say that I'm an isolationist. I'd just close our borders and watch the rest of the world burn until the fires went out for lack of fuel. Why get involved? There's nothing in it for us but debt, graves and insults.
Originally posted by Delmer
[b]Saddam justified the invasion of Iraq.
Okay, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and agree that Saddam was the head of a murderous regime. Next question: When can I expect the US to begin systematically wiping out the rest of the murderous regimes across the world? Did someone say 'Never'? Correct! Th ...[text shortened]... lised there. Why doesn't the US go there to spread "freedom"? Don't they need it the most?[/b]