@vivify saidRogan is not wrong about ivermectin.
I like Joe Rogan's podcast and have been listening to him long before the pandemic. His podcasts usually have a nice relaxing vibe about them and he usually displays an open mind when interviewing guests.
Rogan promoting Covid information is quite unfortunate. He always came across as more thoughtful than that.
As a follower of Rogan's podcast, I can tell you all tha ...[text shortened]... is wrong about ivermectin. But he should not be lumped in with the Jimmy Dores and Steven Crowders.
https://www.cureus.com/articles/[WORD TOO LONG]
If you had an open mind you would compare ivermectin to the new covid pills under patent protection for big profits. I have noticed that those that adopt an opinion about ivermectin for political reasons avoid that comparison like the plague because deep down inside they know the new covid pills have even less evidence of effectiveness and they are far less safe.
Why are you condoning the new covid pills that are dangerous and ineffective?
@vivify saidI like Joe Rogan.
I like Joe Rogan's podcast and have been listening to him long before the pandemic. His podcasts usually have a nice relaxing vibe about them and he usually displays an open mind when interviewing guests.
Rogan promoting Covid information is quite unfortunate. He always came across as more thoughtful than that.
As a follower of Rogan's podcast, I can tell you all tha ...[text shortened]... is wrong about ivermectin. But he should not be lumped in with the Jimmy Dores and Steven Crowders.
However let us consider the fact that he was a front line proponent of cancel culture. He caused enormous damage to Carlos Mencia's career out of a self righteous sense of spite. I feel no sympathy if he is finding himself under attack from cancel culture types.
@athousandyoung said"he was a front line proponent of cancel culture"
I like Joe Rogan.
However let us consider the fact that he was a front line proponent of cancel culture. He caused enormous damage to Carlos Mencia's career out of a self righteous sense of spite. I feel no sympathy if he is finding himself under attack from cancel culture types.
That doesn't sound like Rogan at all. What is your source of information?
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@metal-brain saidI don't know what the hell you're talking about. We never discussed Covid pills on this forum. I do know they were tried in the UK but weren't very effective.
I have noticed that those that adopt an opinion about ivermectin for political reasons avoid that comparison like the plague because deep down inside they know the new covid pills have even less evidence of effectiveness and they are far less safe.
Why are you condoning the new covid pills that are dangerous and ineffective?
Those that adopt an opinion about ivermectin for political reasons
You've touched on something here. Regardless of which side of the debate you're on, the personal nature of these debates sap any objectivity. Anti-vaxxers hope vaccinations fail and rejoice for each death not prevented by it.
I suspect there may be the same feelings for ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. If those meds are ever prove effective against Covid, liberals know they will have to brace for "I told you so!" and their side being trashed.
I'm learning more and more that true objectivity is way harder than it seems. When you're surrounded by a certain culture, going against the grain can take some real bravery. Liz Chaney, for all her flaws, chose to stand up for her principles, knowing she is surrounded by conservatives, and knowing that she could be offending her colleagues, friend's neighbors, etc. Imagined being shunned by everyone you know because you stood up for what you believed in.
Ivermectin has been advised against by the CDC, FDA or WHO to treat Covid. Because of that, I take the same position, since these are experts in their field. But you know what? I hope ivermectin turns out to be an effective Covid treatment. If it helps people and becomes a proven, safe treatment, then bravo.
MB, you posted one study. That's progress, but one study doesn't prove a drug should be used as a treatment for something. These things take time and extensive study. Whether it is effective or not, I hope progress toward better treatment isn't impeded by politics.
So goo luck to vaccines, ivermectin and whatever else, as tool to treat or hopefully even stop Covid.
@metal-brain saide.g.
"he was a front line proponent of cancel culture"
That doesn't sound like Rogan at all. What is your source of information?
https://uproxx.com/tv/carlos-mencia-complains-joe-rogan-whines-about-cancel-culture/
Or just do a search for Rogan Mencia. It'll come up.
@athousandyoung saidRogan didn't want Carlos Mencia censored. Rogan is free to criticize anybody he wants to and Mencia is free to do the same to Rogan. That is NOT cancel culture.
e.g.
https://uproxx.com/tv/carlos-mencia-complains-joe-rogan-whines-about-cancel-culture/
Or just do a search for Rogan Mencia. It'll come up.
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@athousandyoung saidI've followed Rogan for a long time and have heard the story.
e.g.
https://uproxx.com/tv/carlos-mencia-complains-joe-rogan-whines-about-cancel-culture/
Or just do a search for Rogan Mencia. It'll come up.
This isn't an example of "cancel culture" in the way it's normally known. Mencia apparently became an infamous joke thief. Rogan confronted Mencia about, most famously arguing in front of an audience.
The short of it is that the standup community rallied behind Rogan due to Mencia's reputation for stealing the material of others as his own.
So this isn't an instance of "cancel culture", this was about stopping someone from harming other standup comics by taking their hard work for his own.
@vivify saidWell Rogan isn't being cancel cultured it's about stopping him from harming other people by spreading misinformation.
I've followed Rogan for a long time and have heard the story.
This isn't an example of "cancel culture" in the way it's normally known. Mencia apparently became an infamous joke thief. Rogan confronted Mencia about, most famously arguing in front of an audience.
The short of it is that the standup community rallied behind Rogan due to Mencia's reputation for stealing ...[text shortened]... was about stopping someone from harming other standup comics by taking their hard work for his own.
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A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
From a government website no less.
"We never discussed Covid pills on this forum."
Ivermectin and HCQ are covid pills and we have discussed them both on here. A comparison between those pills is relevant and warranted. If the generics are better and far safer we should all know about it.
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@athousandyoung saidI never claimed Rogan was a victim of cancel culture.
Well Rogan isn't being cancel cultured it's about stopping him from harming other people by spreading misinformation.
As I've already stated on this thread, Rogan is wrong to spread misinformation, and I understand why people want him banned.
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IDK what you people think cancel culture is but here's the normal meaning:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture
Cancel culture or call-out culture is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles – whether it be online, on social media, or in person. Those subject to this ostracism are said to have been "cancelled".[1][a][4] The expression "cancel culture" has mostly negative connotations and is used in debates on free speech and censorship.[5][6]
The notion of cancel culture is a variant on the term call-out culture and constitutes a form of boycotting or shunning involving an individual (often a celebrity) who is deemed to have acted or spoken in an unacceptable manner.
Nothing to do with government censorship - it's about publicly and deliberately destroying someone's professional reputation.
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@athousandyoung saidNobody claimed government is doing the censoring, at least not directly. They do indirectly by pressuring others to censor, but we all know it is big tech doing it.
IDK what you people think cancel culture is but here's the normal meaning:
[quote]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture
Cancel culture or call-out culture is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles – whether it be online, on social media, or in person. Those subject to this ostracism are said to have been ...[text shortened]... ment censorship - it's about publicly and deliberately destroying someone's professional reputation.
" it's about publicly and deliberately destroying someone's professional reputation"
People have been doing that forever. The corporate news media is trying to do that to Rogan. They did it to Ron Paul and Mike Gravel years ago. They did it to Ross Perot way before that.
