Originally posted by quackquackShav is a crackpot so you cannot expect any sort of logical response from him. He ia best ignored.
Are we allowed to punish a murderer? I mean by logic isn't prison state sanctioned kidnap? even a parking fine by your lack of logic is just state sanctioned theft. I certainly believe we should kill this guy.
Originally posted by sh76I don't have an opinion on the death penalty. I can see the justification in a few isolated executions. I've seen little evidence that the death penalty will deture crime any more then life in prision however.😏
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/ap_on_re_us/us_sniper_execution
Obviously, many of us feel strongly about the death penalty. I, myself, though I have no problem with executing a murderer, have deep reservations about executions because of the possibility of executing an innocent person.
But hopefully we can agree that if any civilian criminal deserves ...[text shortened]... lace at the wrong time. If he was trying to make some sort of political point, he never said so.
Originally posted by bill718Ah but you are so wrong! No executed criminal has ever relapsed into murder. It deters impeccably!
I don't have an opinion on the death penalty. I can see the justification in a few isolated executions. I've seen little evidence that the death penalty will deture crime any more then life in prision however.😏
Originally posted by utherpendragonThat's right. And abolishing the death penalty - as demonstrated by the majority of countries around the world, the passage of history, and the process of modernization and enlightenment - is a significant milestone along the road civilization and fully realized humanity. The U.S. and Indonesia are yet to abolish it. Presumably they will one day as that appears to be what the tide of history will bring about.
I know.They enjoy firing squads there.
Originally posted by utherpendragonAs usual those with worse death penalties than ours, i.e., no appeals, no due process, have the audacity to call the great USA uncivilized! WE will abolish it when no longer needed. As long as we have the Nidal Malik Hasans, John Alan Muhammads, Tookie Williamses, Garridos, John Wayne Gacys, Ted Bundys, Dahmers, Khalid SHeik Mohameds, and many other murderers alive or already executed and their sorry ass imitators or defenders the death penaly is a must and for the greater public good for evil exists in the world! Evil can only be erradicated through killing these sorry bastards!
I know.They enjoy firing squads there.
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Originally posted by scacchipazzoIt's the Death Penalty that is uncivilized - and the purported justifications for it - cf: your juvenile, hooligan, snarling nonsense: "...the death penaly is a must and for the greater public good for evil exists in the world! Evil can only be erradicated through killing these sorry bastards". And as for the "no appeals, no due process" with reference to Indonesia, is that just xenophobic, bigotted speculation? Or do you know something I don't know about the Indonesian legal system?
As usual those with worse death penalties than ours, i.e., no appeals, no due process, have the audacity to call the great USA uncivilized!
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Originally posted by scacchipazzowhat do you expect coming from Indonesia? I read a article not long ago where one of the canidates that was running for office in Indonesia was complaining that Black magic was influencing the outcome of the election!Civilized ,yes very mush so! lol
As usual those with worse death penalties than ours, i.e., no appeals, no due process, have the audacity to call the great USA uncivilized! WE will abolish it when no longer needed. As long as we have the Nidal Malik Hasans, John Alan Muhammads, Tookie Williamses, Garridos, John Wayne Gacys, Ted Bundys, Dahmers, Khalid SHeik Mohameds, and many other mur ...[text shortened]... for evil exists in the world! Evil can only be erradicated through killing these sorry bastards!
They are very out of touch as is all opinions coming from there.
"Major General (ret.) Prijanto, the running mate of Fauzi Bowo for the Jakarta governor's election, complained to a prayer gathering on 2nd August of 3000 people marking the coming occasion (11th August) of the celebration of Muhammad's magical journey on a flying horse to heaven that black magic rituals were being used in the election campaign to influence voters, presumably in favour of the opposing Islamist team, led by Adang Daradjatun.
He hoped that the assembled clerics would pray to stop the effects of the voodoo and black magic rites and spells."
Originally posted by utherpendragonMany millions of people here in Indonesia take a principled stand against the death penalty, just as they do in more "modern" part of the world like Europe, North America. However, if you took a poll here, I would imagine the level support for it among the general public would be similar to the U.S.A. - a hefty majority. But I would expect that within 20 years it will be phased out and then abolished.
what do you expect coming from Indonesia?
Originally posted by FMFI want to make sure I am following you correctly. You believe, the death penalty is never justified? Correct?
Many millions of people here in Indonesia take a principled stand against the death penalty, just as they do in more "modern" part of the world like Europe, North America. However, if you took a poll here, I would imagine the level support for it among the general public would be similar to the U.S.A. - a hefty majority. But I would expect that within 20 years it will be phased out and then abolished.
Originally posted by utherpendragonInvariably those from the backwaters have the termerity of considering their caning justice system as above all others. If it were not so pathetic it might actually be somewhat amusing. Regrettably stones get hurled from glass houses!
what do you expect coming from Indonesia? I read a article not long ago where one of the canidates that was running for office in Indonesia was complaining that Black magic was influencing the outcome of the election!Civilized ,yes very mush so! lol
They are very out of touch as is all opinions coming from there.
"Major General (ret.) Prijanto, th ...[text shortened]... bled clerics would pray to stop the effects of the voodoo and black magic rites and spells."