@vivify saidWhy would you even consider the possibility that "brutal" is okay? Would you accept government brutality in any other context?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/chinas-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-brutal-but-effective
China's coronavirus lockdown strategy: brutal but effective
Don't know about Australia.
I did not read the article because it was not linked to on Breitbart. Does someone know where to find it?
Except for maybe a few weeks in spring 2020, I don't think nationwide lockdowns happened at all in the USA. Case in point: The Sturgiss motorcycle rally happened in April 2020 with 500,000 unmasked folks drinking beers indoors.
Elementary school children though, had to stay home and learn how to read and effectively communicate with peers and express their feelings on an iPad screen. That is the biggest tragedy of all this. Adults ignored it, while children suffered.
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@averagejoe1 saidLockdown had
Johns Hopkins. No impact on Covid. Johns Hopkins for God sakes. But here we have the lock-step liberal with their narrative, finding SOMETHING to say, trying to disparage the findings of one of the top institutions in this country.
Makes all of your future postioins somewhat questionable? But fear not, Vivify, we will know that your opinions will not be your own. None of any liberal is their own. Just absolutely pitiful.
NO IMPACT ON DEATHS
hello??...........ON DEATHS
https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/02/johns-hopkins-lockdowns-had-no-significant-effect-in-reducing-covid-19-mortality
https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-02-02/a-johns-hopkins-study-says-ill-founded-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths
@wildgrass said===Elementary school children though, had to stay home and learn how to read and effectively communicate with peers and express their feelings on an iPad screen. That is the biggest tragedy of all this. Adults ignored it, while children suffered.===
I did not read the article because it was not linked to on Breitbart. Does someone know where to find it?
Except for maybe a few weeks in spring 2020, I don't think nationwide lockdowns happened at all in the USA. Case in point: The Sturgiss motorcycle rally happened in April 2020 with 500,000 unmasked folks drinking beers indoors.
Elementary school children though, ...[text shortened]... an iPad screen. That is the biggest tragedy of all this. Adults ignored it, while children suffered.
COVID didn't make them do that. The idiots in charge of public health policy made them do that. That's the biggest tragedy of all of this.
My kids have been in in-person camp/school since June 29, 2020 (the day King Cuomo allowed it). No fact of science or nature prevented everyone else from doing the same.
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@sh76 saidOMFG.
Why would you even consider the possibility that "brutal" is okay? Would you accept government brutality in any other context?
That post was regarding the effectiveness of lockdowns; I wasn't agreeing with the brutal way it was implemented.
China is proof lockdowns work, though I would never agree with the way they went about it. I would've loved if Americans could've cooperated with each other on lockdowns.
@vivify saidI appreciate your denunciation of brutality. The Guardian article was not as firm.
OMFG.
That post was regarding the effectiveness of lockdowns; I wasn't agreeing with the brutal way it was implemented.
China is proof lockdowns work, though I would never agree with the way they went about it. I would've loved if Americans could've cooperated with each other on lockdowns.
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@jimm619 saidSee, when I'm wrong, I apologize.
Lockdown had
NO IMPACT ON DEATHS
hello??...........ON DEATHS
https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/02/johns-hopkins-lockdowns-had-no-significant-effect-in-reducing-covid-19-mortality
https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-02-02/a-johns-hopkins-study-says-ill-founded-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths
I guess y'all wouldn't post at
all were you to follow suit, huh?
Mama teach you manners?
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@sh76 saidI didn't write that COVID made them do that. I agree with your broader point that our leaders failed us. I totally disagree with your placement of blame on public health officials. They are not our leaders.
===Elementary school children though, had to stay home and learn how to read and effectively communicate with peers and express their feelings on an iPad screen. That is the biggest tragedy of all this. Adults ignored it, while children suffered.===
COVID didn't make them do that. The idiots in charge of public health policy made them do that. That's the biggest tragedy of al ...[text shortened]... ay King Cuomo allowed it). No fact of science or nature prevented everyone else from doing the same.
Recently, in one US state (Nebraska), the public health department issued a mask mandate. These officials work for the mayor. IMMEDIATELY after this order went out, the mayor and the governors office issued statements that they "strongly disagreed" with the decision.
The decision? He's the gull darned governor. Public health departments report to mayors, governors etc. who are supposed to be the ones making decisions. The politicians are scapegoating the public health officials, and it's a complete dereliction of duty.
Our leaders need to take the information provided by the public health officials and weigh that info against information given by other advisors around them. How will it affect schools? How will it affect local businesses? Then they make decisions. Instead of doing that, our leaders decided it was best to shirk responsibility.
@wildgrass
BTW. Here’s the study.
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf
@jimm619 saidJim,
If it is REAL NEWS, why not
source a REAL NEWS outlet?
Pretend that your story's
....................CREDIBILITY is at stake
.......................hello?..............anyone there?
So what are you really saying.. that the Johns Hopkins piece was fake???
Jeeezus, Jim, don't tell me you think that. This is - what, the 4th time I've embarrassed you
doing this?? Helllllooooooooooooooo, Jim. Google it, Jim. Or I'll post the many links, Jim.
You never learn your fooking lesson
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@jimm619 saidSuicides, Jim. How many people died because of lockdown depressions?
Lockdown had
NO IMPACT ON DEATHS
hello??...........ON DEATHS
https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/02/johns-hopkins-lockdowns-had-no-significant-effect-in-reducing-covid-19-mortality
https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-02-02/a-johns-hopkins-study-says-ill-founded-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths
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@sh76 saidThanks. An interesting read. They do point out that numerous peer-reviewed studies have shown a clear efficacy of social distancing and masking public policies.
@wildgrass
BTW. Here’s the study.
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf
Also, their conclusion with regard to the question of why, as many on this thread have already pointed out, is non-compliance.
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@earl-of-trumps saidStop (acting?) stupid. He means your use of right-wing propagandists to put a false spin on news.
Jim,
So what are you really saying.. that the Johns Hopkins piece was fake???
Jeeezus, Jim, don't tell me you think that. This is - what, the 4th time I've embarrassed you
doing this?? Helllllooooooooooooooo, Jim. Google it, Jim. Or I'll post the many links, Jim.
You never learn your fooking lesson
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For what its worth, in Australia we've seen a management of daily infection rates that have stayed very low with lock-downs and mandated mask wearing. What we have also noted is that as soon as the numbers settle and government gives in to pressure to return back to normal, within a week or so, the daily infection rates climb exponentially and as the mortalities stack up, it seems the politicians play a game of chicken with popular sentiment only caving in and re-instituting lock-downs when the numbers become unacceptable.
Of interest reading through the paper, [A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality] is the cavalier mention that lock-downs may have "only" reduced mortality by 2.4%. Its all good and well when the people dying are not connected to you I suppose. But for the US with over 500,000 people dead, that 2.4% represents 12,000 people.
@kmax87 saidGiven some very specific conditions the masks are next to useless, the way they're used and mandated = more harm than good.
For what its worth, in Australia we've seen a management of daily infection rates that have stayed very low with lock-downs and mandated mask wearing. What we have also noted is that as soon as the numbers settle and government gives in to pressure to return back to normal, within a week or so, the daily infection rates climb exponentially and as the mortalities stack up, it s ...[text shortened]... to you I suppose. But for the US with over 500,000 people dead, that 2.4% represents 12,000 people.
No facial hair, a fit test every time, do not play with the mask once it's on, do not take the mask off and on, are just a few things that turn something that is next to useless into a pointless virtue signal at best.
If it makes you comfortable wear one, it helps to make the sheep ijits recognisable.