@mghrn55 saidBiewilderment abounds with you and Sonhouse. Look above, ....after I have agreed that Rape and Incest victims should have abortions (maybe it should be a law), after I have pointed that out, the ever-present Sonhouse continues to rage about rape victims. That has NEVER been an issue here. Jesus. Why can't y'all just respond to a normal post with another, on point, normal post??.
The whole pro-life movement (aka charade) is based on when life begins.
So.........when would that be ?? I heard so far detection of first heartbeat.
What date should be on your driver's license ? Birth certificate ? etc, etc, etc ......
You see.....the problem with a pro-patriarchal, anti promiscuity movement disguised as a pro-life movement is that you don't see th ...[text shortened]... p of your nose. Which is probably buried in a Bible anyways.
Apologize if I've bewildered you. 😛
About seven clicks up, you mention 'unplanned pregnancy'.... A fourth phrase introduced into this thread, that has no basis. I call it an "Assumption of Risk". She assumed a risk where she might become pregnant. Whew. I don't think an analogy is needed for you to get that. Do you mean maybe that she made a mistake??? It just gets murkier here.
I dont know what you mean by 'unplanned pregnancy'. Maybe Sonhouse can chime in?
And you talk about the whole pro-life movement? 11 clicks down on page 1 that movement is mentioned, where I responded, to not forget that pregnancy is a choice, that if a woman is pregnant, she wanted to get pregnant (rape and incest excluded). This seems to have been worth talking about in everyone's responses, thus not changing the tenor of the thread. I proceeded to justify that statement. It became a mini issue, but all of you found yourselves in a corner and started writing about extraneous stuff that has to do with pregnancy. Bewildering. Heartbeat? What has that to do with it?
@AverageJoe1
The bottom line is you are a control freak and have no problem controlling the reproductive rights of women,
@mott-the-hoople saidThey can control their bodies far better than the government can.
the republican legislature is giving babies the right to live.
If these women cant control their bodies I am all for sterilization.
And hey, genius, stop using incendiary language.
Babies all have a right to live. Fetuses, especially at 6 weeks, not so much.
If men hate women so much, I say take away their Viagra. Funny how forcing women to have unwanted babies is the will of God, yet the failure of these controllers to get it up isn't.
@mghrn55 saidWomen who "can't control their own bodies" get forced pregnancy. Men who can't control their own bodies get Viagra.
I think that those members of the male of the human species that continually push for a patriarchal system tend to be those that are generally losers with members of the opposite sex.
That would be you.
Constantly blathering about women who can't control their bodies.
Or women that can't keep their legs closed.
They seem to be doing ok when you're around, huh ?? 😛
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@mghrn55 said.....Republicans don't let facts interfere with
The notion of a "pro-life" motivation for overturning Roe v Wade is a charade.
The real driver of this is two-fold:
1 - the religious zealotry that believes that allowing abortion results in an increase in sexual promiscuity which is evil.
2 - a desire for a patriarchal society where females should be subservient to males.
Just a reminder to those who need to be reminded......
2050 is 29 years this way (forwards)
1950 is 71 years that way (backwards)
their notion of progress and equality.
@averagejoe1 saidHere you go again, turning the right to control their own bodies into a crime, all because you assume their motivation.
You are a bit off-track, you are suffering from Suzianne-itis.
First, true to what I have been pointing our for a LONG time, you are adding a NEW issue to this simple issue. The word 'Unplanned'. What in the hell? What do you mean by that? It is not mentioned herein above. Shall we all stop the issue and write about a girl who, knowing how she can get pregnant, ...[text shortened]... the air and begin at point A. A girl chooses to get pregnant. How much more clear can I post it???
I guarantee you that a woman who chooses to become pregnant does NOT turn around and have an abortion. What is wrong with you?
@sonhouse saidThe choice that y'all speak of??? She made her choice when she created what MGHM refers to as 'unplanned pregnancy'. What a joke. She assumed a risk is what she did. She made her choice about 9 months before the baby was due. You cannot accept that, because it defeats ALL of your arguments. Yet, it is the truth.
@AverageJoe1
The bottom line is you are a control freak and have no problem controlling the reproductive rights of women,
Suzianne is the one who proliferates the word lie all the time,.... I guess the truth, that I just stated, to her, is a lie??
How so?
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@suzianne saidYou are defining the word Choose as a deliberate choice to do something...that is fine. Problem is, follow me here, Suzy, you say that she Chose to get pregnant. YOU are the one turning things around, because you are limiting the word choose to apply only to someone choosing to get pregnant. I say she chose to have sex and assume the risk of pregnancy.
Here you go again, turning the right to control their own bodies into a crime, all because you assume their motivation.
I guarantee you that a woman who chooses to become pregnant does NOT turn around and have an abortion. What is wrong with you?
Do you see the differences? Choose to have sex? Choose to get pregnant?
Bottom Line: You say she chose to 'get pregnant'. I say the she chose to have sex, and had a little surprise. You are losing this debate, but thanks for hanging in there. A bit more civilized that Sonhouse. Have you ever read his stuff?
Lord, next thing you will suggest is that taxpayers should pay for her abortion!! Can you imagine the turmoil that that would cause. Most folks, like me, would rather use that money for little Bobby's education.
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@averagejoe1 saidEver hear of the Hyde amendment?
You are defining the word Choose as a deliberate choice to do something...that is fine. Problem is, follow me here, Suzy, you say that she Chose to get pregnant. YOU are the one turning things around, because you are limiting the word choose to apply only to someone choosing to get pregnant. I say she chose to have sex and assume the risk of pregnancy.
Do you see ...[text shortened]... at that would cause. Most folks, like me, would rather use that money for little Bobby's education.
"In U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape. Before the Hyde Amendment took effect in 1980, an estimated 300,000 abortions were performed annually using taxpayer funds." -- Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment
And oh, btw, a woman's choice to either get pregnant or not is not some "snap" decision, made at the last possible moment. You denigrate women at every opportunity.
"The decision whether or not to bear a child is central to a woman’s life, to her well-being and dignity. It’s a decision she must make for herself. When government controls that decision, she is being treated as less than a fully adult human responsible for her own choices." -- Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Senate Confirmation Hearing, 1993
You (and countless others on the right) are treating women as less than fully adult humans responsible for their own choices.
@suzianne saidand you treat babies as disposable trash
Ever hear of the Hyde amendment?
"In U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape. Before the Hyde Amendment took effect in 1980, an estimated 300,000 abortions were performed annually using taxpayer funds." -- Wikipedia ...[text shortened]... on the right) are treating women as less than fully adult humans responsible for their own choices.
@suzianne saidYour arguments are a piece of cake, simply because you follow the liberal mantras of 'change phrases in the issues'>
Ever hear of the Hyde amendment?
"In U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape. Before the Hyde Amendment took effect in 1980, an estimated 300,000 abortions were performed annually using taxpayer funds." -- Wikipedia ...[text shortened]... on the right) are treating women as less than fully adult humans responsible for their own choices.
Your 'phrase changing' in para one above, is ' federal funds'. in lieu of 'taxes'. I speak of state taxes, each state is different. The taxes used to pay for abortions.
Who said Federal, Suzianne? Why do y'all do this to keep us very-busy republicans tied up correctng and defeating you dems all day long? See, right now, I cancelled a golf game to get this post our there!!!!!!
@mott-the-hoople saidI am sure Suzianne will respond directly to what you post here. She will defend her statements and explain her point of view on the fetus that goes into the 'medical waste' dump. At least libs dont throw them in a dumpster.
and you treat babies as disposable trash
Uhhh, they don't. do they????????
@AverageJoe1
The bottom line here is you will NEVER give up your quest to control women from cradle to grave.
@sonhouse saidDo you never consider the helpless unborn? And I don't say that in a heart-tugging way, Sonhouse. I note that you never mention them, though.
@AverageJoe1
The bottom line here is you will NEVER give up your quest to control women from cradle to grave.
@mott-the-hoople saidStop using the word "babies" when what you mean is an embryo. It isn't even a fetus until the eighth week. At six weeks, it doesn't even have a heart. What is detected is electrical signals from the cells that become the "pacemaker" for the heart. In no way does this indicate viability.
and you treat babies as disposable trash