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Justice Kagan steps out of line, big-time

Justice Kagan steps out of line, big-time

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@mott-the-hoople said
cant have the scotus giving power to the people can we?
Well....when The People have The Power because they think majority rule is absolute and without some kind of check and balance system, they can do some bad things.

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@jj-adams said
Well....when The People have The Power because they think majority rule is absolute and without some kind of check and balance system, they can do some bad things.
What like holding up the installation of a justice for a year so you can shove a ultra right wing partisan hack onto the bench, and then shoving another one onto the bench in super quick time. All in order to allow ultra right wing evangelical states legislators to restrict a woman’s right to choose, or overriding states legislators who ban concealed carry permits.
Yeah those guys should hang their heads in shame huh!

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@mott-the-hoople said
the EPA was never granted complete control to shut companies down. Richard Nixon created the EPA, not the representatives.

The EPA as with other agencies were weaponized by democrats to further their agenda. Again, The EPA was NEVER given absolute power. You as usual misrepresent the facts. The EPA was to work with the states and make recommendations, not given a dictatorship.

Dems abuse every thing they touch.
No, Nixon signed the law passed by Congress. He had little choice; the Clean Air Act amendments of 1970 which created the EPA passed with one vote against in the House and unanimously in the Senate.

The language of the Act clearly grants to the EPA power to identify and regulate air pollutants. The SCOTUS ruling is a judicial usurpation of the People's overwhelmingly expressed wishes.


@earl-of-trumps said
@AverageJoe1 - I was simply asking for opinions, regardless of all you just typed, of the comments of Kagan, which are obviously nothing to do with her job.
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Don't be silly, Joe. Writing dissenting opinion does have to do with her job
Sorry, but her saying that had NOTHING to do with Constitutional matters, which is her sole job.
Next time I referee a basketball game, and determine the winner because of the facts, I will not pontificate that it is my personal opinion that other side should have won.


@no1marauder said
The EPA regulations are discretionary and will vary based on the political ideology of those who run it. A Biden administration will obviously pass different regulations than the Trump administration did and the People can and do factor that when they cast their vote.
Let us not forget that Obama famously said "I have a phone and a pen', referring to his ability, and intent, to go around congress when he wants something to happen.
This alone might make you fellers think!!>?? Dictatorial, wouldn't you say? It drives home all the more , that the congress (we the people) need to make laws, not the EPA.
I truly do not get why you don't get it. You missed con law class.


@no1marauder said
The People's representatives decided in 1970 that the EPA had discretionary power to identify air pollutants and regulate them accordingly.

It's not their fault that over half a century later, a few fanatics in black robes would pretend that they didn't do it clearly and unequivocally enough.
So if you were charged with figuring all this out, you would not recognize that in 1970 a mistake was made? And now, thank god, it has been corrected? I am led to believe now that conservative judges are indeed more knowledgeable than are the libs.
Hey, are you just wild about the new Ms. Jackson!?!?


@kevcvs57 said
You don’t have to be an expert to come to that conclusion you just have to not be an idiot or a denier of the obvious results of climate change.
It’s as if a dissenting text shouldn’t point out the possible social consequences of SCOTUS limiting the police to non sex related crimes, it might just result in more sex crimes.
You are saying that the dissent should go outside the parameters of the ruling, including the reasons therefor, and add to it what they think about social problems. That is what you are saying. You are saying that. I will put it in my journal. You. been having a sidebar with Marauder??????


May I add that your 'denier' reference points out the fact that some people believe there is no global warming, certainly that humans have little to do with it. I don't know myself, that is not my point.
My point: Since it is not a proven fact, then this Kagan character is telling us ONLY her personal opinion on global warming. She could be wrong, could she not? Suzianne might call her a fear mongerer. She has my family and myself scared to death. This is totally unbecoming of this judge.


@averagejoe1 said
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/kagan-warns-parts-east-coast-swallowed-ocean-dissent-epa-case

Justice Kagan put this in her dissent. I could scream! Her job is to be final arbiter of the law, insure equal justice under the law. Everything otherwise surrounding the decision of the court is none of her business. Jesus. That is a fact. Only liberals run their m ...[text shortened]... .....and, be able to allow EPA to make law.
Can not one of you sit back and think for a moment?
You may consider trying that yourself, Jo.
Aren't you the 'people,' that constantly
complain of 'ACTIVIST JUDGES?''


@averagejoe1 said
So if you were charged with figuring all this out, you would not recognize that in 1970 a mistake was made? And now, thank god, it has been corrected? I am led to believe now that conservative judges are indeed more knowledgeable than are the libs.
Hey, are you just wild about the new Ms. Jackson!?!?
IF Congress "made a mistake" in 1970 by giving the EPA too much authority, it is up to Congress to "correct" it. Instead, we have judges pretending that they didn't grant such broad authority despite the clear wording of the statute.


@no1marauder said
No, Nixon signed the law passed by Congress. He had little choice; the Clean Air Act amendments of 1970 which created the EPA passed with one vote against in the House and unanimously in the Senate.

The language of the Act clearly grants to the EPA power to identify and regulate air pollutants. The SCOTUS ruling is a judicial usurpation of the People's overwhelmingly expressed wishes.
well I’ll be…The EPA web site is lying then…

“Following the council’s recommendations, the president sent to Congress a plan to consolidate many environmental responsibilities of the federal government under one agency, a new Environmental Protection Agency. This reorganization would permit response to environmental problems in a manner beyond the previous capability of government pollution control programs:”

https://www.epa.gov/history/origins-epa


@kevcvs57 said
What like holding up the installation of a justice for a year so you can shove a ultra right wing partisan hack onto the bench, and then shoving another one onto the bench in super quick time. All in order to allow ultra right wing evangelical states legislators to restrict a woman’s right to choose, or overriding states legislators who ban concealed carry permits.
Yeah those guys should hang their heads in shame huh!
What jumps out here is that you are saying that 'ultra right wing legislators are 'being allowed' to restrict right to choose. Kev, States' Rights.......do you understand states' rights??? They are not subject to any 'being allowed' that I know of. They can do what they want. Tell us, who is so powerful as to be the entity that 'allows' a state to do something? Who, Kev,, what in hell.!??!? Can't they already 'do' it??

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@jj-adams said
Well....when The People have The Power because they think majority rule is absolute and without some kind of check and balance system, they can do some bad things.
Note that, today anyway, Kev and Marauder will NOT comment one way or another on a 51% majority rule. They are embarrassed about such a position, or they are confused, I just cannot tell. They are mob-sters, but are ashamed to admit it.


@jj-adams said
Well....when The People have The Power because they think majority rule is absolute and without some kind of check and balance system, they can do some bad things.
You're right, SCOTUS just proved it.

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@mott-the-hoople said
well I’ll be…The EPA web site is lying then…

“Following the council’s recommendations, the president sent to Congress a plan to consolidate many environmental responsibilities of the federal government under one agency, a new Environmental Protection Agency. This reorganization would permit response to environmental problems in a manner beyond the previous capability of government pollution control programs:”

https://www.epa.gov/history/origins-epa
President Johnson first enacted the law.
You believe the CLEAN AIR ACT is bad?
Clean Air Act
The Clean Air Act of 1963
The Clean Air Act, initially enacted in 1963 and amended in 1965, 1967, 1970, 1977, and 1990, is a United States federal law designed to control air pollution on a national level. It is one of the United States' first and most influential modern environmental laws, and one of the most comprehensive air quality laws in the world.Wikipedia
United States
The Clean Air Act is the United States' primary federal air quality law, intended to reduce and control air pollution nationwide. Initially enacted in 1963 and amended many times since, it is one of the United States' first and most influential modern environmental laws. .Wikipedia