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  1. 04 Dec '15 01:00
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-sept-11-responders_565fc14ce4b079b2818d4282?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063


    Several participants in the bargaining blamed Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for killing the agreement by trying to use 9/11 legislation as leverage to get a bill passed to ease the U.S. ban on oil exports. McConnell's office has repeatedly denied there was any agreement.


    "The man has literally sponsored and touted the exact same bill for energy workers. I honestly just wish I could understand the rationale. That bill cost twice as much what they're asking for these guys," Stewart said.

    that's nice. as long as they know who to blame, i am sure the 9/11 first responders don't need anything else. like cancer treatment
  2. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    04 Dec '15 08:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-sept-11-responders_565fc14ce4b079b2818d4282?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063


    Several participants in the bargaining blamed Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for killing the agreement by trying to use 9/11 legislation as leverage to get a bill passed to ease the U.S. ban on oil exports. McConnell's ...[text shortened]... ho to blame, i am sure the 9/11 first responders don't need anything else. like cancer treatment
    That's the mindset in America my friend. Our good government sends tens of billions of dollars to wealthy fortune 500 companies in the form of corporate welfare every year and folks turn a blind eye to it, but let the common people ask for a few crumbs of healthcare coverage, and everyone screams "socialism!!"
  3. 04 Dec '15 09:05
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-sept-11-responders_565fc14ce4b079b2818d4282?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063


    Several participants in the bargaining blamed Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for killing the agreement by trying to use 9/11 legislation as leverage to get a bill passed to ease the U.S. ban on oil exports. McConnell's ...[text shortened]... ho to blame, i am sure the 9/11 first responders don't need anything else. like cancer treatment
    Are you an American?
  4. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    04 Dec '15 10:21
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Are you an American?
    ... or an UNAMERICAN !!!
  5. 04 Dec '15 16:38
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Are you an American?
    still no
  6. 04 Dec '15 19:43 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Great King Rat to Zahlanzi
    Are you an American?
    Zahlanzi claims to be a Romanian. It's been noted, however, that Zahlanzi shows much
    more interest in arguing about US politics than in discussing anything about Romania.
    Zahlanzi has a long record of misrepresenting other writers and lying about issues, so it's
    reasonable to wonder about to what extent Zahlanzi's lying about who he claims to be.

    If I recall correctly, Utherpendragon (?) implicitly accused Zahlanzi of being an American
    pretending to be a Romanian in his trolling about US politics.
  7. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    04 Dec '15 21:01
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Zahlanzi claims to be a Romanian. It's been noted, however, that Zahlanzi shows much
    more interest in arguing about US politics than in discussing anything about Romania.
    Zahlanzi has a long record of misrepresenting other writers and lying about issues, so it's
    reasonable to wonder about to what extent Zahlanzi's lying about who he claims to be.

    If ...[text shortened]... ed Zahlanzi of being an American
    pretending to be a Romanian in his trolling about US politics.
    Try arguing here on any topic totally unrelated to American politics and see how long it takes to blame Obama. It is simply not worth bothering with topics that the American contingent are not interested in, and that leaves a pretty limited range of topics for discussion. On the other hand, it can be highly amusing to join in debates with Americans. They have a tendency to try and reduce everything to an obscure philosophocial argument, under the label first principles, which actually means that no matter what topic you start out with, they quickly twist and turn until it is reduced to the same old handful of silly, pointless, tired out cliches. We take the amusement we can get and that is our lot.
  8. 04 Dec '15 21:08
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Try arguing here on any topic totally unrelated to American politics and see how long it takes to blame Obama. It is simply not worth bothering with topics that the American contingent are not interested in, and that leaves a pretty limited range of topics for discussion. On the other hand, it can be highly amusing to join in debates with Americans. They ...[text shortened]... ul of silly, pointless, tired out cliches. We take the amusement we can get and that is our lot.
    Personally, I don't mind occasional discussions of US politics, but I prefer not to get involved
    in narrow arguments about who the best Republican presidential candidate should be.
  9. 04 Dec '15 21:24
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-sept-11-responders_565fc14ce4b079b2818d4282?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063


    Several participants in the bargaining blamed Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for killing the agreement by trying to use 9/11 legislation as leverage to get a bill passed to ease the U.S. ban on oil exports. McConnell's ...[text shortened]... ho to blame, i am sure the 9/11 first responders don't need anything else. like cancer treatment
    I've said from right after 9/11/2001 to the present, that responders to that event, and others who died in it, did not automatically deserve more favorable treatment than Americans who suffered injury or death in traffic accidents, or other terrorist events.

    Because of the large numbers of victims, Americans who are generally a compassionate group feel badly for victims, but huge numbers of Americans in every day life suffer great losses, including loss of life and limb. First responders, in regular house fires, as well as cops responding to traffic accidents and crime reports die and are already given substantial insurance coverage.
  10. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    04 Dec '15 21:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I've said from right after 9/11/2001 to the present, that responders to that event, and others who died in it, did not automatically deserve more favorable treatment than Americans who suffered injury or death in traffic accidents, or other terrorist events.

    Because of the large numbers of victims, Americans who are generally a compassionate group fe ...[text shortened]... to traffic accidents and crime reports die and are already given substantial insurance coverage.
    Very logical. Health care should not depend on a lottery - the arbitary accidents of history that are not even relevant to the nature of the health condition. One might as well promise superior health care to anyone injured on St Patrick's day (1. hurray), with reduced health care for those injured on the feast day of St George (2.boo). People need health care on the basis of their health conditions and a decent society would not offer diifferent levels of care based on other considerations such as their quality of health insurance policy or their personal wealth. Nor should the quality of care be a matter for private business interests to calculate on the basis of profit margins. A decent society would organise its resources collectively to secure for everyone decent care based on need, not abiliity to pay.

    1. Ireland's patron saint
    2. England's patron saint
  11. 04 Dec '15 22:16
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Very logical. Health care should not depend on a lottery - the arbitary accidents of history that are not even relevant to the nature of the health condition. One might as well promise superior health care to anyone injured on St Patrick's day (1. hurray), with reduced health care for those injured on the feast day of St George (2.boo). People need heal ...[text shortened]... care based on need, not abiliity to pay.

    1. Ireland's patron saint
    2. England's patron saint
    A decent society would organise its resources collectively to secure for everyone decent care based on need, not ability to pay.

    Sounds like the old Soviet mantra. How did that work out in practice?
  12. 04 Dec '15 23:35
    Originally posted by normbenign to Finnegan
    [b]A decent society would organise its resources collectively to secure for everyone decent care based on need, not ability to pay.

    Sounds like the old Soviet mantra. How did that work out in practice?[/b]
    Health care in the USSR was generally improved over what it had been in pre-Soviet Russia.
  13. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    05 Dec '15 06:50
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-sept-11-responders_565fc14ce4b079b2818d4282?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063


    Several participants in the bargaining blamed Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for killing the agreement by trying to use 9/11 legislation as leverage to get a bill passed to ease the U.S. ban on oil exports. McConnell's ...[text shortened]... ho to blame, i am sure the 9/11 first responders don't need anything else. like cancer treatment
    Mitch McConnell has been a bad apple for Republicans for awhile, but just like Dingy Harry Reid for the Democrats they keep getting reelected. Ted Cruz has already called McConnell out on the Senate floor for lying to him to get his vote. We need to get the crooks out of office.

    Ted Cruz is a good guy to remain in the Senate, so I would hate to lose him from the Senate, but he is my second choice behind Trump for President.
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    05 Dec '15 06:53 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Very logical. Health care should not depend on a lottery - the arbitary accidents of history that are not even relevant to the nature of the health condition. One might as well promise superior health care to anyone injured on St Patrick's day (1. hurray), with reduced health care for those injured on the feast day of St George (2.boo). People need heal ...[text shortened]... care based on need, not abiliity to pay.

    1. Ireland's patron saint
    2. England's patron saint
    St George is "patron saint" to half the countries in Europe and some beyond including Russia and Palestine. George never set foot in England; in fact, when George was alive, England didn't yet exist! It was still Roman Britain.

    St Edmund is the real patron saint of England.
  15. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    05 Dec '15 06:56
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Personally, I don't mind occasional discussions of US politics, but I prefer not to get involved
    in narrow arguments about who the best Republican presidential candidate should be.
    I already know who that is.