@no1marauder saidSorry, but if you have 5000 people on an island, and everyone votes, and 2501 of them vote over the other 2499, then that 2501 will run everything, including the pitiful 2499 wretches.
What you call "mob rule" is what most people call "democracy".
So, my def is that when a large crowd controls and lesser crowd in a governmental fashion, the oppressiveness experienced by the lesser crowd can only feel like they are being controlled by.....you guessed it...a mob. The mob is thus ruling.
You can argue that it has to have an element of anarchy if you want to, the global definition, but as that is, for all intents and purposes here, non-existent, then we can use my definition, ne c'est pas?
If you do not agree, then you might tell us that the phrase 'mob rule' has no place in USA vernacular today. But it does, Marauder. Can't you picture Sonhouse leading the parade with some huge bedsheet on a stick when Kamala wins!?!? And Moonbus manning a card table with MobRule bumper stickers and paraphernalia .
Is Moonbus still spaying boys who don't know what they are?
@no1marauder saidWe are not a true democracy. Sorry there is no traction with that argument. I don't care about hashing that one any more, Sonhouse would LOVE a kindred spirit, though.
What you call "mob rule" is what most people call "democracy".
@sonhouse saidParasite has several definitions.
@Parasite
Says a Canadian POS who NEVER saw immigrants at their jobs and OF COURSE neither did Trump. I expect a 'person' like you to totally believe everything Trump says but fortunately you are not eligible to vote here but that might not stop you since you love Trump and might try to vote here illegally anyway.
You picked your name well PARASITE.
You are an embarrassment to Canadians.
I looked this up for you, I think you are among the people in this country who are dependent on government,,,,,,or maybe you are not. See if you are in this definition.
@no1marauder saidSo you are among us as a person who wants to change the Constitution? YOur friend Shav, who is a socialist in a foreign country, has suggested that. I told him to go for it ads long as people who work hard do not have to support those that do not. And I added several more provisos, but he did not get back to me.
In 1790, the least populous State, Delaware, had about 1.5% of the country's population
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1790_United_States_census
In 2020, the least populous State, Wyoming doesn't even have 0.2% of the nation's population.
Things change and a Constitution should be able to reflect such changes. We didn't consider the Framers' decisions to allow sl ...[text shortened]... ally designed and deviates from the general rule that whoever gets the most votes wins the election?
So, you and Shav,,,,change the constitution. If you get it done my next monday, you will have Kamala for your president. Hell, you will end up with everything. That was Marx goal, you know.
@AverageJoe1 saidThere are two antidotes to what you describe:
Sorry, but if you have 5000 people on an island, and everyone votes, and 2501 of them vote over the other 2499, then that 2501 will run everything, including the pitiful 2499 wretches.
So, my def is that when a large crowd controls and lesser crowd in a governmental fashion, the oppressiveness experienced by the lesser crowd can only feel like they are being controlled ...[text shortened]... bumper stickers and paraphernalia .
Is Moonbus still spaying boys who don't know what they are?
1) A bill of rights, which ensures that the majority cannot "vote away" the rights of the minority, and
2) Anti-discrimination provisions which ensure that the majority cannot vote things *only* for itself or *only* against the minority.
So you see, it is easily fixed if you adopt a progressive, classical liberal mindset.
AvJoe you should be more progressive. Adopt a classical liberal mindset. 😉
@spruce112358 saidI am not going to delve into all that stuff, we are just having fun. Next you wil give us a quiz. (havent used THAT word in a long time).
There are two antidotes to what you describe:
1) A bill of rights, which ensures that the majority cannot "vote away" the rights of the minority, and
2) Anti-discrimination provisions which ensure that the majority cannot vote things *only* for itself or *only* against the minority.
So you see, it is easily fixed if you adopt a progressive, classical liberal mindset.
AvJoe you should be more progressive. Adopt a classical liberal mindset. 😉
I laugh at 'majority cant vote away...' They can do anything they want, turkey.
Uhh who is gong to stop them?
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@AverageJoe1 saidThat's why the concept of a 'right' is useful. Rights are defined as protected by large super majorities. Simple majorities are useful for some things, but some things need super majorities.
I am not going to delve into all that stuff, we are just having fun. Next you wil give us a quiz. (havent used THAT word in a long time).
I laugh at 'majority cant vote away...' They can do anything they want, turkey.
Uhh who is gong to stop them?
EDIT: the majority can't overrule past super majorities. That gives democracy stability.
@AverageJoe1 saidSo you want a minority to impose their will on the majority. Of course, this is what right wing ideology is all about; the privileged few "deserve" to rule over the "mob" i.e. the People.
Sorry, but if you have 5000 people on an island, and everyone votes, and 2501 of them vote over the other 2499, then that 2501 will run everything, including the pitiful 2499 wretches.
So, my def is that when a large crowd controls and lesser crowd in a governmental fashion, the oppressiveness experienced by the lesser crowd can only feel like they are being controlled ...[text shortened]... bumper stickers and paraphernalia .
Is Moonbus still spaying boys who don't know what they are?
The Left has stood for hundreds of years for the proposition that society should be arranged for the betterment of the masses not the enrichment of an elite. Harris is following in that proud heritage while you and your ilk yearn for another despot.
@AverageJoe1 saidTrue, we're not a full fledged democracy but the Founders and Framers never intended that the will of the People be permanently suppressed to accommodate the wishes of a minority (except to protect everyone's Natural Rights).
We are not a true democracy. Sorry there is no traction with that argument. I don't care about hashing that one any more, Sonhouse would LOVE a kindred spirit, though.
@no1marauder saidSilly 1stpararaph. Why go off on an untruth? We do not want to rule or be ruled, don't you see?
The Left has stood for hundreds of years for the proposition that society should be arranged for the betterment of the masses not the enrichment of an elite. Harris is following in that proud heritage while you and your ilk yearn for another despot.
The simple fact: We want everyone (with protected BALANCED voting rights, speaking of rights,) to have that pesky 'say' in the running of our government.
With that, a vote is held for whatever reasons, build a city park or elect a commissioner or a USA president. All things being handled properly with equal BALANCED representations, everyone agrees to live with the result.
Simple.
@no1marauder saidOf course they had no such intention. Mu post just above is all you need. Had I had been in Philadelphia when all these ideas were thrown around, I would have received pleasant recognition with my simple observation.
True, we're not a full fledged democracy but the Founders and Framers never intended that the will of the People be permanently suppressed to accommodate the wishes of a minority (except to protect everyone's Natural Rights).
I think I will ask my poker group tonight, if they can explain Natural Rights.
For the record , I can't. I think about animals in the woods, survival of the fittest, eat what you kill (my favorite)/
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@AverageJoe1 saidThey would have tossed you out on your ear since you are too stubbornly ignorant to understand a concept they specifically stated in the Declaration of Independence was the very basis of the nation they created.
Of course they had no such intention. Mu post just above is all you need. Had I had been in Philadelphia when all these ideas were thrown around, I would have received pleasant recognition with my simple observation.
I think I will ask my poker group tonight, if they can explain Natural Rights.
For the record , I can't. I think about animals in the woods, survival of the fittest, eat what you kill (my favorite)/
@no1marauder saidSee what kind of a rise you can get out of your fans by writing about Natural Rights!@!!!!!!!!!!!
They would have tossed you out on your ear since you are too stubbornly ignorant to understand a concept they specifically stated in the Declaration of Independence was the very basis of the nation they created.
Do you know that the world,, if Willie's mistress is elected, will change unbelievably?? I myself will be so busy I may not show up here for a while, or ever. I will be jockying to be at the top of the hill, I assume you will already be there. Overseeing the 330M minions. Ah, but you will take care of them. Sonhouse would love to be taken care of.
For the record, I am sure it will all happen in the end, you grandsons will be running things from the hill....I just dont want it to happen that soon.
But then, there is November 5th.
@AverageJoe1
Except for the part if Harris wins, RIGGED ELECTION, MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD.
That is what WILL happen and the fight will also be over election deniers already in place as vote counters in several battleground states.
Jan 6 V2.
Trump is not even trying to hide his 'policy' of racism, misogyny and fear mongering and if he wins, using DOJ to go after his political opponents and trying to pull the broadcast license from ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, MSNBC as well as trying to put journalists and show hosts in jail for DARING to criticize him.
Oh yeah, also killing AFA and pulling out of NATO.
And you LOVE him.
Besides his plan of tariffs and putting 10 million people here legally in concentration camps prior to deportation.
Those two 'policies' WILL tank the robust economy we are lucky to have right now.
Trump will see to that.