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@Zahlanzi saidIts been argued so disingenuously at the political level forever. Sarah Palin screamed that democrats wanted death panels but death panels are what existed then and what currently exists. Unfortunately Obamacare didn't fix that. Those panels meet behind closed doors and without any accountability to voters and their primary consideration is money not life or health. They decide who lives or dies.
"How can anyone, democrat or republican, make the argument that the way America does healthcare is the only best way there is?"
money
lots and lots of money
"It's so bad. You need a degree in accounting just to manage a small family in the throes of orthodontics."
freedom baby, it smells so good.
A switch to single payer would be a massive increase in government, but at least government can be forced into transparency and accountability by voters.
@wildgrass saidyou must have learned economics off a matchbook you found in a bar.
I'm ready for it. We have AverageJoe using Medicare right now but somehow thinking that this is not a government program. It is.
Single payer would cut out the middle man. Estimated cost savings fluctuate but it could make US healthcare as much as $1 trillion less expensive. That's like 20%. So 20% of healthcare goes to insurance, or lobbying, or inflated pharmaceutical ...[text shortened]... g back surgery for no reason.
It's just a better system. Capitalism doesn't work for health care.
@the-grifter saidTell me about how the mullahs in Iran will be sent "packing" again?
you must have learned economics off a matchbook you found in a bar.
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@the-grifter saidOkay uncle fester.
you must have learned economics off a matchbook you found in a bar.
@wildgrass saidWhy were you not ready for it back then?
Not sure about Democrats but I wasn't ready for it. Now I am.
There seems to be a coherent argument made by others that the public option is a gateway to single payer. Making the leap cold turkey is too hard. I don't think that but some do.
@no1marauder saidAre you saying it was one democrat's fault?
The House passed the ACA, including a public option, by a 220-215 margin on November 7, 2009 with Democrats voting for it by a 219 to 39 margin.https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2009887
They needed 60 votes in the Senate for the public option and could not get them because of opposition from independent Joe Lieberman (though he voted for the ACA without it). But a large ma ...[text shortened]... You can't seem to understand this, but sometimes in governing you have to take the best you can get.
Joe Lieberman.
@Metal-Brain saidI'm telling you what happened since you quite obviously never bothered to get the real story.
Are you saying it was one democrat's fault?
Joe Lieberman.