23 Apr '13 00:23Originally posted by e4chrisDrugs like cocaine are illegal in Indonesia. This fact does not deter millions of tourists who respect the local laws from coming here every year. Where do you get the idea that half of them would not come here if they were reminded that "Drugs like cocaine are illegal in Indonesia" when they were booking their tickets?
replace smuggle with take - and yes that is a fair description and one which would put of at least half there punters...
23 Apr '13 00:31Originally posted by FMFthe exact same tourists would expect and receive an indifference to drug use in spain - so i would never, not ever sell them a tricket to bali.
Drugs like cocaine are illegal in Indonesia. This fact does not deter millions of tourists who respect the local laws from coming here every year. Where do you get the idea that half of them would not come here if they were reminded that "Drugs like cocaine are illegal in Indonesia" when they were booking their tickets?
23 Apr '13 00:38Originally posted by FMFThe problem is that most exotic destinations include available drugs. Mexico, the Bahamas, Jamaica all have pretty readily available drugs. Even Detroit has legalized marijuana for personal use, though few people would consider it a vacation destination. Even here, if you tried to bring in a kilo of pot, smack or coke, you are going to jail, don't pass go and don't collect $200.
Have you seen Bali marketing itself as a place where people smuggling cocaine should feel safe going? Rather than "strip them out the catalogue", why don't you urge travel agents to market Bali as 'a great holiday destination - but not if you want to smuggle drugs'?
23 Apr '13 00:44Originally posted by e4chris"Why on earth are they coming down so hard on drugs when this is going on fmf? "
the exact same tourists would expect and receive an indifference to drug use in spain - so i would never, not ever sell them a tricket to bali.
Why on earth are they coming down so hard on drugs when this is going on fmf?
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/11/08/terrifying-trade-child-prostitutes-bali.html
23 Apr '13 01:07Originally posted by e4chrisWhat is your point? Because there is child prostitution in Bali, drug smugglers should walk free? Surely not. Why don't you explain?
Why on earth are they coming down so hard on drugs when this is going on fmf?
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/11/08/terrifying-trade-child-prostitutes-bali.html
23 Apr '13 01:142 editsOriginally posted by FMFthe article says it is a big problem there. Its atrocious you can have the death penalty for drug dealing but let that slip by.
What is your point? Because there is child prostitution in Bali, drug smugglers should walk free? Surely not. Why don't you explain?
23 Apr '13 01:20Originally posted by FMFSure. And Indonesia can change its priorities to go after human traffickers, or to legalize drugs or both, but as long as the law is what it is, travel agents would be considerate to advise clients of the law.
This has been my point, I think.
23 Apr '13 01:25Originally posted by e4chrisThe incongruity of the laws in Bali, are for their citizens to consider, appeal to the legislators and to change politically.
the article says it is a big problem there. Its atrocious you can have the death penalty for drug dealing but let that slip by.
23 Apr '13 01:32Originally posted by normbenignThats an interesting story - i am sick of places lke bali picking up holiday $/£ when there are other places much more deserving and better.
Sure. And Indonesia can change its priorities to go after human traffickers, or to legalize drugs or both, but as long as the law is what it is, travel agents would be considerate to advise clients of the law.
About a decade ago, I was planning a trip to Texas. I had a permit to carry a concealed weapon at home, and Texas accepted my State's license. ...[text shortened]... sidering the laws of various localities. And generally ignorance of the law isn't an excuse.
23 Apr '13 01:32Originally posted by normbenignSome of what I will call 'e4chris' "trendy" tourists, looking for a "trendy" holiday destination' come to Bali, not for cocaine, but to have sex with children. Perhaps he should try to prevent travel agents from letting any tourists - including those who don't want cocaine and don't want to have sex with children - from getting to Bali. That would presumably teach someone or other a lesson.
The incongruity of the laws in Bali, are for their citizens to consider, appeal to the legislators and to change politically.
Not usually a good idea for a foreign tourist to challenge laws, especially those that carry capital punishment.
23 Apr '13 01:351 editOriginally posted by FMFthe article says that has happened 70,000 times on record alone since 2003 so yes bali does seem to sell itself for that - but are shooting a granny for smuggling coke .
Some of what I will call 'e4chris' "trendy" tourists, looking for a "trendy" holiday destination' come to Bali, not for cocaine, but to have sex with children. Perhaps he should try to prevent travel agents from letting any tourists - including those who don't want cocaine and don't want to have sex with children - from getting to Bali. That would presumably teach someone or other a lesson.
23 Apr '13 01:35Originally posted by e4chrisMany of the tourist dollars in Bali go to little privately owned business, cafes, shops, salons, hotels, art and craft producers, and to wage earners like drivers, hotel staff, artists, dancers, etc. What makes them "undeserving" in your mind?
Thats an interesting story - i am sick of places lke bali picking up holiday $/£ when there are other places much more deserving and better.
23 Apr '13 01:372 editsOriginally posted by e4chrisHow does Bali "sell itself" as a child sex destination?
the article says that has happened 70,000 times on record alone since 2003 so yes bali does seem to sell itself for that - but are shooting a granny for smuggling coke .
i don'y see how it gets into any brochures at all quite frankly.
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