@Zahlanzi saidBlow up your house? Where do you get those analogies? That would be akin to killing your spouse? Obviously you're out of the marriage contract after that.
the whole point? what would that be?
tell me, what other contract between two people is for life? what would you call an employment contract where you can't leave? can you imagine a contract with a power company where it says you can't ever cancel it unless they blow up your house but both of you can change minor things and it would be up yo a judge to decide if those m ...[text shortened]... ne more thing. do you have any argument not taken from the bible that a marriage should be for life?
I think the point of marriage is to legally recognize a shared life with obligations and protections thereof. Society recognizes the benefits of these relationships and rewards special tax benefits.
@Rajk999 saidThis undermined the entire point you made earlier that women get divorced for the pay day.
These days many women work, so they are all breadwinners. The problem is when the woman is significantly more qualified, and earns significantly more, then that marriage is on shaky ground. She is more likely to seek a divorce eventually. The hypergamy for women is upward, always. That never changes. Men are content with a cute uneducated homemaker type girl with which he c ...[text shortened]... husband regardless of who gets hurt. Smart men do not get married to women who can out-earn them.
@Zahlanzi saidThere are an insane number of false assumptions in here to even know where to begin. You must just dislike the entire idea of marriage?
so unless you can prove abuse (and just the ones defined by law, there are countless other ways to abuse someone) in front of a judge one or two adults should be forced into an association against their wishes because of a choice they made 5, 10, 20 years ago? Do you want to ask no1marauder how hard it is to prove abuse sufficiently that a judge grants you divorce? If wives ...[text shortened]... sonality is enough to keep their loved ones from leaving them alone
monumentally bad idea you had
@spruce112358 saidThis is a very good point regarding societal support. We need more of that.
Statistically, half of men are below median ability to be a "good" partner. This is the same with women - half are below average at being "good partners."
People are also bad at perceiving future risk, so we can assume that these factors are independent. This means:
25% of marriages will feature two "good" partners. Those marriages will be wonderful and last a long ...[text shortened]... ]So marriage should be blissful only about 25% of the time. This pretty much matches experience.[/b]
I'm not sure I agree with your binary view of success based on the individual. Mixing tea and water or oil and water.
In many cases, making divorce too easy might remove the opportunity for trying to mend relationships which are just temporarily off the rails.
@wildgrass said"I think the point of marriage is to legally recognize a shared life with obligations and protections thereof"
Blow up your house? Where do you get those analogies? That would be akin to killing your spouse? Obviously you're out of the marriage contract after that.
I think the point of marriage is to legally recognize a shared life with obligations and protections thereof. Society recognizes the benefits of these relationships and rewards special tax benefits.
yes. until one or both no longer wish to share life with each other
"Society recognizes the benefits of these relationships and rewards special tax benefits."
yes. for as long as they both shall want to.
@wildgrass saidNot really. Both situations exist.
This undermined the entire point you made earlier that women get divorced for the pay day.
Some women get married to men who are lower on the social / economic ladder and they end up leaving for greener pastures.
Others get married to men who are well off and divorce is a big payoff.
They are not mutually exclusive.
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@wildgrass said"There are an insane number of false assumptions in here to even know where to begin."
There are an insane number of false assumptions in here to even know where to begin. You must just dislike the entire idea of marriage?
well, if you wish to continue this conversation, put in some effort and try. Or you can divorce the conversation and i promise i won't ask a judge to keep you in it against your wishes
"You must just dislike the entire idea of marriage?"
must I? have you thought this hypothesis through?
i never said 2 people, willing to share a life, shouldn't enter marriage together. What i did say is that one individual doesn't get to keep the other in an agreement against their wishes.
Sooooo, wanna try answering any of my questions? or you just want to make statements?
@Rajk999 saidLol 😂
Not really. Both situations exist.
Some women get married to men who are lower on the social / economic ladder and they end up leaving for greener pastures.
Others get married to men who are well off and divorce is a big payoff.
They are not mutually exclusive.
Women are the problem in both cases.
@wildgrass saidAre there women who get married for money? Yes
Lol 😂
Women are the problem in both cases.
Are there women who get married and leave for a better relationship ? Yes
Whats your problem?
@Rajk999 saidAre there men who get married for money? Yes.
Are there women who get married for money? Yes
Are there women who get married and leave for a better relationship ? Yes
Whats your problem?
Are there men who get married and leave for a better relationship ? Yes
What's your problem?
@KingDavid403 saidYou are like a child. Nobody says it does not happen both ways.
Are there men who get married for money? Yes.
Are there men who get married and leave for a better relationship ? Yes
What's your problem?
@wildgrass said"In many cases, making divorce too easy might remove the opportunity for trying to mend relationships which are just temporarily off the rails."
This is a very good point regarding societal support. We need more of that.
I'm not sure I agree with your binary view of success based on the individual. Mixing tea and water or oil and water.
In many cases, making divorce too easy might remove the opportunity for trying to mend relationships which are just temporarily off the rails.
Should your boss be able to keep you in your job to give you both the "opportunity for trying to mend relationships which are just temporarily off the rails."
How about your cable company?
What gives you the right to keep an individual in a contract against their wishes. An individual you claim to love and respect? I ask again, who else should have that right.
@Zahlanzi saidYou made assumptions that divorce makes people safer, that no-fault divorce proceedings lead to less murder, that at-fault divorce could only be granted with hard proof of abuse, that I was somehow afraid of divorces that were granted for no particular reason, and that divorce was required for protection, physically separating two people in a relationship.
"There are an insane number of false assumptions in here to even know where to begin."
well, if you wish to continue this conversation, put in some effort and try. Or you can divorce the conversation and i promise i won't ask a judge to keep you in it against your wishes
"You must just dislike the entire idea of marriage?"
must I? have you thought this hypothesis throug ...[text shortened]... eir wishes.
Sooooo, wanna try answering any of my questions? or you just want to make statements?
Marriage is a financial contract signed with the state. I don't think it should be voided if one party starts feeling unhappy and blames the person they're currently eating dinner with.
You had a plumber analogy at one point. Sign a contract, contract can be fulfilled, contract can be voided, we are not debating these facts. It is the conditions upon which those contracts can be voided that is debatable.
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@Rajk999 saidYou wrote earlier that eliminating the "financial windfall for women" was the only way to reduce the rate of divorce.
Are there women who get married for money? Yes
Are there women who get married and leave for a better relationship ? Yes
Whats your problem?
But in the opposite situations where the woman is the breadwinner and therefore more likely to give up some cash, property, pay child support etc., she is MORE likely to be the one filing for divorce.
It can't be the woman's fault in both instances.
@wildgrass saidThe state does not enforce the terms of the marriage 'contract.' 😆
Marriage is a financial contract signed with the state. I don't think it should be voided if one party starts feeling unhappy and blames the person they're currently eating dinner with.
No one does - that's the problem. Bad behavior (usually one partner is worse) goes unpunished unless religion or friends and family intervene. [NB. Marriage counselors are by-and-large useless since if they say something the "bad" partner doesn't want to hear, that partner just refuses to attend.]
In an individualistic age, where everything thinks they are right and everyone can make it on their own, marriage becomes something of an anachronism.