Originally posted by normbenignCompanies do not have to tell consumers that products are GMO. So you cannot use your purse to stamp out GMO's. All corn and sugar beets in the US have been genetically modified. Almost every processed food item has one or the other in its list of ingredients.
I thought the same thing as I was writing last night. Our main difference seems to be that I trust markets to solve issues like this. I don't need to make a choice, except at the store or farmer's market about what I buy. That is my vote.
Originally posted by joe beyserIf you say so. At the beginning of this thread, I googled up a lot of articles about Monsanto.
Doesn't matter if Monsanto plays politics or seeks special consideration from FDA. Fact is they are poisoning people, and spreading the pollen to good crops spoiling the natural species in the process. Also trying to get a global monopoly on food in the process. Look it up.
The record is not always as clearly evil as some want to make it. No company should be getting corporate welfare, but no company should be destroyed by the opinions of a few.
If you prefer organic tomatoes, grow your own, or buy from an organic farmer. We still have some free choices. Pay more for what you prefer. My point is not that Monsanto is strictly good or bad. Just that we have means to address problems besides carrying signs.
Originally posted by PhrannyYou've told me, and I don't read labels anyway. Has it occurred to you that some GMOs may be evil, and others not?
Companies do not have to tell consumers that products are GMO. So you cannot use your purse to stamp out GMO's. All corn and sugar beets in the US have been genetically modified. Almost every processed food item has one or the other in its list of ingredients.
Living today without some processed food is quite difficult. Have you looked into aquaponic gardening?
Originally posted by normbenignOne of the issues now is that labeling the GMO content in the US hasn't been done for the most part. Kinda makes it hard to make choices.
If you say so. At the beginning of this thread, I googled up a lot of articles about Monsanto.
The record is not always as clearly evil as some want to make it. No company should be getting corporate welfare, but no company should be destroyed by the opinions of a few.
If you prefer organic tomatoes, grow your own, or buy from an organic farmer. ...[text shortened]... to is strictly good or bad. Just that we have means to address problems besides carrying signs.
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My understanding is Monsanto kicked out Dioxin and lied about its toxicity, Dupont kicked out CFCs and lied about there environmental damage and toxicity. All this stopped in the 80s / 90s
In the long run CFCs have caused MUCH MORE HARM - we could still go extinct because of them, they are that serious, and monsanto are quite tame by comparison - but those numbnuts at greenpeace just protest like idiots on a trust fund when they hear nuclear or genetic when all they protect is there bourgeois lifestyle - definately not the lifestyle of people who need cheap food. Frankly I despise them.
Protest against DuPont? Anyone? Even they are cleaning up there act re chemicals like pfoa there's not much left to protest about.
Originally posted by e4chrisGive it up
I dunno about monsanto but i am voting UKIP from now on - they are the only party to support smokers thats something I definately would march on.
Why protest against cheap food - if monsanto have any outstanding laws suits maybe.. do they?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHere's a song about homegrown tomatoes.
This is motivated by greed, it does not necessitate that greater yields are better in quality and on the contrary, the Indian farmers found that while yields were greater the first year, the native seed was better suited to their environment than the genetically modified one. You only need to taste a supermarket tomato compared to a home grown one to realise the difference in quality.
Originally posted by rwingettIn a way its good that people want to march against monsanto its just the right idea pointed at totally the wrong target - multi nationals are inter dependant you can't really march against one . but products live and die on who buys them people should just vote with there wallets what foods they want and sure enough the shops will sell it.
http://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/feral-farming-can-we-produce-good-yields-and-have-healthy-wildlife
An interesting article about one viable alternative to industrial agriculture.
Originally posted by joe beyserOrganic food is usually labeled as such, to explain the high price. Of course some labeled organic food isn't. But that isn't Monsanto's fault.
One of the issues now is that labeling the GMO content in the US hasn't been done for the most part. Kinda makes it hard to make choices.
Originally posted by e4chrisOften chemicals and chemical companies get a bad rap. The banning of DDT has resulted in a resurgence of malaria, and of course with it many deaths. Often there isn't right and wrong but tradeoffs.
My understanding is Monsanto kicked out Dioxin and lied about its toxicity, Dupont kicked out CFCs and lied about there environmental damage and toxicity. All this stopped in the 80s / 90s
In the long run CFCs have caused MUCH MORE HARM - we could still go extinct because of them, they are that serious, and monsanto are quite tame by comparison - but thos ...[text shortened]... n they are cleaning up there act re chemicals like pfoa there's not much left to protest about.
Originally posted by rwingetthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaponics
http://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/feral-farming-can-we-produce-good-yields-and-have-healthy-wildlife
An interesting article about one viable alternative to industrial agriculture.
You can do this at home in very limited space, and almost no land, as gardening can be vertical. Probably take less time than building protest signs.
Originally posted by normbenignYes, aquaponics is good. But my building an aquaponic system isn't going to stop Monsanto from destroying the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaponics
You can do this at home in very limited space, and almost no land, as gardening can be vertical. Probably take less time than building protest signs.
Originally posted by rwingettYou sound like "the Brain" from pinky and the Brain. If thousands, eventually millions of people built aquaponic systems, industrial farming could become virtually obsolete, or at least greatly diminished in importance.
Yes, aquaponics is good. But my building an aquaponic system isn't going to stop Monsanto from destroying the world.