Mass Murderer Receives Justice!

Originally posted by sh76
It's a bit of a stretch to say that abortion is about sex and sexual freedom.

Abortion is about whether the fetus has human rights that outweigh the mother's right to privacy. It's not about whether a woman has the right to have sex in the first place. As long as you're careful, it's not that difficult to have sex and avoid pregnancy.

You're being inconsistent.

IF you believe that a fetus has human rights, then abortion is MURDER, not merely immoral unless you believe that some humans have less rights than others.

Are you for real with that last sentence?

Originally posted by no1marauder
You're being inconsistent.

IF you believe that a fetus has human rights, then abortion is MURDER, not merely immoral unless you believe that some humans have less rights than others.

Are you for real with that last sentence?

Did I say that I believed that a fetus has human rights? No, I did not.

Nice straw man you built there. Have fun burning it down.

Originally posted by sh76
Did I say that I believed that a fetus has human rights? No, I did not.

Nice straw man you built there. Have fun burning it down.

sh76: Abortion is about whether the fetus has human rights

Thanks for playing.

Originally posted by no1marauder
sh76: Abortion is about whether the fetus has human rights

Thanks for playing.

Does that mean I'm saying that a fetus does have human rights?

Thanks for showing your lack of reading comprehension skills.

Originally posted by sh76
Does that mean I'm saying that a fetus does have human rights?

Thanks for showing your lack of reading comprehension skills.

Let's do this logically (apparently you missed that day in school):

1) You say abortion rights hinge on whether a fetus has "human rights";

2) You oppose abortion rights;

3) .........................................................

But your weaselling and dodging is typical of the anti-abortionists in this thread.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Let's do this logically (apparently you missed that day in school):

1) You say abortion rights hinge on whether a fetus has "human rights";

2) You oppose abortion rights;

3) .........................................................

But your weaselling and dodging is typical of the anti-abortionists in this thread.

===You oppose abortion rights===

Go ahead. Show me where I said that!

I NEVER said that.

There you go again putting words in my mouth and then ripping me for saying them.

What I said is that I think abortion is immoral. I do. However, as I have also said many times on these boards, I also think that I don't have the authority to impose my own sense of morality on other people.

I'll accept your apology whenever you're man enough to give it.

Originally posted by normbenign
SCOTUS in Roe v. Wade cited privacy as the right, not liberty.

What is the interest of society in abortion of demand?

As my wife puts it, "if men were the vessels God had chosen to carry and give birth to offspring, then by now, abortion would have been incorporated into holy rite, and the aborted foetus would have been considered one of the most holy of sacraments"

"But seeing as men in control of all that power through their patriarchal machinations, have been left wanting in terms of this one great creative act, have seen it fit to compensate for their inadequacy, by finding the most insidious and invasive means of controlling the gender that does."

Originally posted by kmax87
As my wife puts it, "if men were the vessels God had chosen to carry and give birth to offspring, then by now, abortion would have been incorporated into holy rite, and the aborted foetus would have been considered one of the most holy of sacraments"

"But seeing as men in control of all that power through their patriarchal machinations, have been left want ...[text shortened]... uacy, by finding the most insidious and invasive means of controlling the gender that does."

Your wife likes to indulge in self-aggrandizing speculation.

Originally posted by sh76
Your wife likes to indulge in self-aggrandizing speculation.

I think you confuse self with gender.

Originally posted by sh76
Your wife likes to indulge in self-aggrandizing speculation.

I must be doing a bad job not keeping her hog tied and obedient as well hey?

Barefoot and pregnant and knowing her place right?

Originally posted by kmax87
I must be doing a bad job not keeping her hog tied and obedient as well hey?

Barefoot and pregnant and knowing her place right?

Right. That's exactly what I meant.

Hey, ripping men is perfectly okay; but mildly criticizing a woman for ripping men; that's sexism. Right?

Originally posted by sh76
Hey, ripping men is perfectly okay; but mildly criticizing a woman for ripping men; that's sexism. Right?

Nothing to do with sexism at all. Just pointing out an obvious difference between sexes that had the ball been on the other foot(or the baby in the other lap so to speak) I'm sure our perspectives as men might be slightly different. Though if you are American, the notion of interfering in the lives of other peoples and nations, has for so long been clothed in the righteousness of enlightenment and improvement, why would I be surprised that you would not get the subtleties of agency?

Originally posted by no1marauder
You're being inconsistent.

IF you believe that a fetus has human rights, then abortion is MURDER, not merely immoral unless you believe that some humans have less rights than others.

Are you for real with that last sentence?

Must it necessarily be murder? Possibly, but death at the hands of another is not always portrayed or even construed that way. Capital punishment, self defense, certain police actions (such as the sharp-shooting of Sugston Anthony Brookes by Toronto police on August 25, 2004, but not so much the shooting of Amadou Diallo by New York police on February 4, 1999, even though all the officers involved in both incidents were exonerated), and even instances where the fetus is aborted to save the mother's life are not commonly considered murder, even though life was taken.

It seems that the word "murder" implies something "wrong" was done above and beyond the simple infringement on the victim's "right to live" (shades of the natural rights discussion!). In contrast, the examples above focus on the "good" that was done or the "wrong" that was prevented by taking the life in question. Any event can be construed in multiple ways, but some are easier to swallow than others.

Originally posted by PBE6
Must it necessarily be murder? Possibly, but death at the hands of another is not always portrayed or even construed that way. Capital punishment, self defense, certain police actions (such as the sharp-shooting of Sugston Anthony Brookes by Toronto police on August 25, 2004, but not so much the shooting of Amadou Diallo by New York police on February 4, 1999 ...[text shortened]... event can be construed in multiple ways, but some are easier to swallow than others.

Baby killing with malice aforethought is considered murder as far as I know.

Originally posted by sh76
===[b]You oppose abortion rights===

Go ahead. Show me where I said that!

I NEVER said that.

There you go again putting words in my mouth and then ripping me for saying them.

What I said is that I think abortion is immoral. I do. However, as I have also said many times on these boards, I also think that I don't have the authority to impose my own ...[text shortened]... morality on other people.

I'll accept your apology whenever you're man enough to give it.[/b]

So you think Roe v. Wade was correctly decided?