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You know when the report about right-wing extremists was made public ? With everyone shouting about how it was a campaign to demonize the right and all that.
Next terror attack in the US : Right-wing extremist shoots a person to scare people out of doing a perfectly legal job.
We should not have gotten to this point period. If we were intelligent and civilized enough, almost all pregnancies would be planned; abortions would not be needed except for the most medically necessary mutated fetuses. But since we are just one step above caveman status, let the abortions and killings continue. It's much easier than being civilized.
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraOh okay; now I see what you're saying.
If there is less of a taboo on sex, teenagers and young adults are more likely to be better informed about sex. Therefore they are more likely to use contraceptives.
But anti-abortion Christians are not interested in decreasing abortions by changing the demographics. They are interested in eliminating them.*
If you believe abortion is murder (which I don't, but bear with me), then how can you be satisfied to decrease the number of abortions that better sex education might bring? If you believe that, you can't settle for anything less than a ban.
* the abortions, not the demographics 😉
Originally posted by sh76Because a ban won't stop abortions.
Oh okay; now I see what you're saying.
But anti-abortion Christians are not interested in decreasing abortions by changing the demographics. They are interested in eliminating them.*
If you believe abortion is murder (which I don't, but bear with me), then how can you be satisfied to decrease the number of abortions that better sex education might bring? ...[text shortened]... an't settle for anything less than a ban.
* the abortions, not the demographics 😉
Originally posted by no1marauderIt reminds me of a man by the name of John Brown who was an abolitionist. After all, he opposed slavery just like yourself, except for the samll detail of him murdering slave owners. Now if these slave owners had killed theri slaves, which they were known to do from time to time, would you have baked the actions of John Brown?
I'm sure all you anti-abortion folks can get behind this one:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31029377
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Originally posted by kmax87This sounds pretty self righteous to me. It reminds me of the old saying, "He that is without sin cast the first stone." In short, any time you lecture someone on how to act just keep in mind that humility is only a spot light away when it is shined on you wheather it be Obama or the radio announcer. Austrailians are no better than Americans and vice versa.
Downunder, our national public broadcaster ran this story on radio this morning, heading the story with an Obama soundbyte that denounced the 'heinous' act of violence and urging both sides of this debates divide, to respect the other's choices.
The news bulletin continued to report a pro life group as saying that this event will send a chill into the hear ...[text shortened]... wash with lawless vigilantism is proof of the hypocrisy that the world should no longer bear.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraare you proposing that the state should enforce atheism down people's throats?
Sure, but atheism and better sex ed are probably more effective at preventing abortions than a ban.
there is no evidence that suggests atheism would stop abortions, it would probably encourage it.
Originally posted by generalissimoNo, I'm not proposing that. The comment was tongue-in-cheek.
are you proposing that the state should enforce atheism down people's throats?
there is no evidence that suggests atheism would stop abortions, it would probably encourage it.
there is no evidence that suggests atheism would stop abortions, it would probably encourage it.
At least abortion rates are lower (by a factor of 7) in Holland compared to the US. But a correlation does not imply causation.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraBut a correlation does not imply causation.
No, I'm not proposing that. The comment was tongue-in-cheek.
[b]there is no evidence that suggests atheism would stop abortions, it would probably encourage it.
At least abortion rates are lower (by a factor of 7) in Holland compared to the US. But a correlation does not imply causation.[/b]
there you go then.
Originally posted by generalissimoIs it not food for thought that a country where abortions are much, much easier to get and much, much less controversial (with only a few fringe christian radicals opposing it) has such dramatically lower abortion rates, though?
[b]But a correlation does not imply causation.
there you go then.[/b]
Originally posted by KazetNagorraSo you're saying that in order to stop abortions you have to make it available and easier? I don't follow that.
Is it not food for thought that a country where abortions are much, much easier to get and much, much less controversial (with only a few fringe christian radicals opposing it) has such dramatically lower abortion rates, though?